Eviction of Abel Lui and supporters at Kawa underway

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ABOVE PHOTO: The scene at Kawa this morning. County dump trucks and vehicles – along with an ambulance – were stationed along Highway 11 in front of Kawa. Abel Simeona Lui, seen in the photo, and others were evicted from the property in preparation of an archaeological survey. Photos by Geneveve Fyvie courtesy Ka’u Calendar.

Lui's home at Kawa

By David Corrigan

KAWA, Hawaii (updated 1:45 p.m.): The eviction of Abel Simeona Lui and his supporters from Kawa is reportedly underway at this hour.

Initially, there was confusion over whether or not Lui had been taken to the hospital, as police are said to be clearing visitors out of the area. A spokesperson for the mayor said Abel was not taken to the hospital, he left the scene of his own volition. The county is reportedly poised to demolish the homes and structures that Lui has called home for years.

Mark Thomas, who spoke directly to Big Island Video News over the phone, posted to Facebook that “Abel is being taken to the hospital.access to Kawa is being denied to all. county dump trucks are poised to demolish his house!! we need videos and witnesses!!!!!!” Thomas has been by Abel’s side throughout Lui’s troubles with authorities over the land.

Julia Neal of the Ka’u Calendar reports the county has confirmed it is conducting the action at Kawa today. Big Island Video News eventually obtained the media release as well. In it, the county states:

Social service agencies will assist anyone staying at Kāwā with securing other living arrangements. Any structures on the property will be disassembled by workers from the County’s Department of Public Works.

Ilihia Gionson, an executive assistant to the mayor, says the structures found on the property were not demolished. Instead, they are being disassembled carefully by carpentry crews “such that the structures, along with any other property found, can be claimed within 30 days and reassembled on a more appropriate site.”

The county purchased Kawa from the Edmund Olson Trust last year through the Public Access, Open Space and Natural Resources Preservation Fund. Lui has long argued that the lands are his by allodial right, saying his great-great-grandfather, Timoteo Keawe, received the land in a royal grant and that under kingdom law. Lui says the title held by the county is clouded and invalid. He has lived on the land for years, acting as konohiki and caretaker of the aina.

Big Island Video News has been following this situation since 2008, when nervous officials were stopped by Lui and other native subjects of the Hawaiian Kingdom, before they could survey the lands. This happened under a different administration. Harry Kim was the mayor at the time. Despite the passions on display, the stand-off ended peacefully. At the end, everyone joined hands in prayer, led by Lui.

Since that time, things have gotten more desperate for Lui. When the purchase of the land seemed eminent in 2010, Lui took to the Highway, living by the road in a constant vigil, trying to raise awareness for his struggle.

Meanwhile, court decisions affirmed the county’s right to go ahead with the land acquisition, purchased from the Edmund Olson Trust in November 2011 for $3.9 million. The court also granted the county the authority to evict Lui and his supporters at their discretion.

All the while, Lui grew increasingly erratic, as his time on the land appeared to be limited. As his roadside vigil continued into its second year – transforming the area into a makeshift homestead complete with a working garden – Lui stressed that he wanted to meet with the mayor personally.

Lui has been a divisive character. Some find him to be a sympathetic figure, fighting for his rights as a native Hawaiian. Others see him as a squatter, and have been pressuring mayor Billy Kenoi to oust him and his supporters from the area.

Lui and his supporters welcomed the mayor and some staff to the area of Kawa in April. For a time, it appeared as if there might be a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

But when an archaeological survey of the property began in September, part of the creation of a management and stewardship plan, tensions began to rise again.

“We’re going to take care of Kawa Bay by working with the families, protecting the cultural and archaeological sites,” Kenoi told West Hawaii Today’s Nancy Cook Lauer . “We want to put our management plan in place and then execute a transition. It’s all about doing it right.”

In Thursday’s county media release, the mayor’s office says that once the archaeological survey of the reported “large burial complex, numerous smaller burial sites, and hundreds of archaeological features” which are protected under law is complete, “a management plan will be implemented to protect the cultural, historical, and burial features of Kāwā while allowing public access to learn about and enjoy this wahi pana, this special place.” In the meantime, sources say it appears no one will be allowed down to the popular beach.

The reports are already riling those in support of Hawaiian sovereignty. In an email blast sent out to press and public officials, Jim Albertini of the Malu ‘Aina Center For Non-violent Education & Action wrote, “It’s a sad day that a Hawaiian Mayor, Billy Kenoi, could not engage in Ho’oponopono with Hawaiian Abel Simeona Lui and others at Kawa’a to resolve matters in a just and peaceful way. The Hawaiian people and the land cry out for justice not police action.”

We will have more on this as it becomes available. A news videographer will be on the scene.

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  1. Suzi Cyr says:

    This breaks my heart. I believe it’s all about money and Uncle should stay. He is an ambassador of aloha. I pray that uncle Abel is ok..

  2. KIMBERLY THOMLEY says:

    This is Criminal………………………..STOP…………………………Leave us alone…………………………………………….

  3. Anonymous says:

    Can’t by stolen land…

  4. Louanne says:

    I m very happy this is happing.. No more Harassments , no more Fear,
    No more Worries, no more Hurt . No more rubbish, no more illegal plants, no more shacks !!Now all can enjoy/ peace!!!

  5. Onyou says:

    Thank you Jesus! Our Kupuna can now rest in peace without being disturbed!!

  6. Onyou says:

    A September 2012 site visit to Kāwā by the State Historic Preservation Division confirmed the presence of a large burial complex, numerous smaller burial sites, and hundreds of archaeological features. Burial and historical sites are afforded protection under law.

  7. irony@itsfinest says:

    1st off, ITS NOT A CRIME to take something away that he never owned to begin with.

    2nd. Abel= “ambassador” of aloha to those who recognize him as KONOHIKI and give him makana.

    3rd. ITS NOT about money its about preservation, something Abel does not recognize if it does not suit his well being

    4th. “taking care of the land”? have any of u been there to walk through the uncleared areas. cause i have… u WILL find where unwanted ‘OPALA is left behind. as far as i am concerned he has been taking care of HIMSELF!!

    5th. Ah how history repeats itself… hasn’t our Kupuna taught you to not be bias and know both sides of the story before you speak? cause it only makes you look more incompetent to those you speak ill of.

    6th. “poor Abel” what about poor iwi kupuna? they were there first and deserve the respect and love that you forget to show but yet you come to the aid of someone who chooses to desecrate rather than MALAMA. SHAME!!

  8. ForItsTime says:

    No More Ha-Ka-Ka!!… For our Keiki’s can now enjoy :))

  9. Hana says:

    Return Kawa to its rightful owner, Abel and leave the Kingdom be.

  10. Hana says:

    Never give up Uncle. We are all behind you. Truth will prevail.

  11. Amelia Gora says:

    Protective Orders from the Hawaiian Kingdom was given to the family to also help protect our family(ies) interests.

    The 1849 Treaty of the Hawaiian Kingdom with the United States of America locks in the 1849 U.S. Constitution, the Treaty(ies) supercedes State Law, etc. see: http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Why-the-U-S-Constitution-by-Amelia-Gora-120907-568.html

    The Treaty was made between the King, his heirs, and successors – his families alone with the U.S.A. President Taylor………and OBAMA cannot change it due to the contract documented and even validated by U.S. President Abraham Lincoln.

    Every Kanaka Maoli also has the rights of native tenants secured to them by Kamehameha III.

    Everyone needs to refer to the 1859 Laws of the Hawaiian Kingdom which is the basis for the Hawaii Revised Statutes 172.11, etc.

    Contact: theiolani@gmail.com for supporting laws……….

    aloha.

  12. Observer says:

    Abel Lui has NOT been at Kawa forever. I’m from Ka’u. I know that years ago, he showed up from “who knows where” claiming that’s his ohana’s land. Dropping names of no one I’ve ever heard of. Just because you set up your shack in the bushes and say that the land belongs to you doesn’t mean that it magically does LOL. Kick his ass out already damn!

  13. Annon says:

    Perfect! For like 15 years I was scared to go there because I was always scared of Abel and his creepy stares and balls hanging out—smoking weed with the surfers!!! It was only those who smoked him out that was on his good side!!! Then more “Hawaiians at heart” moved in and the place just looked like a DUMP!!! Lots of stories of things you can still see/hear as far as obake….maybe now they can rest peacefully!!!!

  14. Tiare Reed-Hauanio says:

    All Hawaiians should be living like the Kings and Queens that we are!! Instead most are happy to take the White mans scraps….hilahila Kanaka Maoli!!

  15. Lani says:

    This action by the county demonstrates and alien approach to the land of Hawai’i. The ploy of displacing a man of true cultural heritage and practice in the name of history archeological preservation parallels the lie of going to war to obtain peace. It is obvious now that the county and its executive are NOT there to look after the best interests of the people, but of industry and alienation of any who do not feel the need to bulldoze, pave and charge a fee in order to appreciation our natural blessings. FYI county this alien mentality is on the outs!!! So go ahead and get fat on your alien glory, while my generation gets strong in aloha and consciousness. WE WILL RUN THE LAND THROUGH COMMUNITY! Not through exploitation and greed!

  16. Country Living says:

    I am so GLAD this is happening. Yes, poor able, but what about the community of Ka’u who get denied access to go down to the beach from Abel? I have been going to Kawa’a for the last 25 years years of my life and prior to that my father and gradfather have been living off of Kawa’a, NOT living on the land, but visiting every weekend and taking what we NEED.

    People say that Abel has been caring for the land. But in actuality him & his supporters are making the place look LEPO, DIRTY, like the beach is a homeless shelter. It does not seem like he is caring for the land, but staying on the land because he doesnt have anywhere else to go.

    How can a person, claim something with no documentation whatsoever whereas there was a previos owner who HAD documentation and sold the property to the county LEGALLY.

    I AM A NATIVE HAWAIIAN AND BELEIVE IN SOVEREIGNTY BUT THE RIGHT WAY! Abel is a shame to the Hawaiians and our kupuna. Hawaiian live the the motto do what is Pono & by the actions that Abel has taken does NOT show that he was being Pono or had actions to keep the culture going down at Kawa’a and caring for the Aina. What he was doing is providing a home for himself and others who are not able to support themselves.

    He he really wants the land, he should do it the right way, BUY IT & then claim what is HIS.

    & as for the COUNTY & RESEARCHERS. Good Abel is out, now just clean up the his opala and leave the land and our ancestors alone at peace. Dont go digging into the land and soil to upset them, what are you trying to prove. Keep the Pono and let our ancestors be.

  17. OHANAMEANSFAMILY says:

    FINALLY THAT CREEPY OLD MAN IS GONE. HURAAYYYYYY!!! BEEN THERE A COUPLE TIME TO HELP CLEAN UP & TAKE CARE OF THE PLACE. HE SURE DID NOT TAKE CARE OF THE LAND THERE WAS TRASH EVERYWHERE. TIME FOR HIM TO PITCH A TENT UP SOMEWHERE ELSE & START CLAIMING SOMETHING ELSE THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM! IM WITH IRONY@ITSFINEST & FORITSTIME..!! CHEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  18. Blessed says:

    *Tiare, isnt that a ignorant thing to say coming from a grown woman….maybe you should keep your nose in the books for the word trader’ is spelled traitor!.

  19. Kaipo says:

    I have to take issue with a lot of what has been written here. I won’t say that Abel is some grand savior, but he is not a bad man and he does not deserve to be bad mouthed. For years, Abel was the only man who took care of the heiau at Kawa and the surrounding area. I know because for many weeks I helped him rebuild much of the damage. I went to Kawa daily for years to surf. For weeks on end the only people I would see would be Abel and a couple other surfers. Back then Abel would accumulate and take his trash out, or ask others to take it out for him.

    Although I no longer live in Ka’u, I still get back from time to time and I always make time to visit Kawa. I don’t always surf, but Kawa is my favorite place on Earth. I still sit down and talk to Abel, I’ve never found him to be unapproachable or mean to those who don’t smoke pakalolo with him. Perhaps he favors the surfers because we actually take care of the beach? When you love some place, you take the time to take care of that place. Perhaps if you sat down with Abel and talked to him you’d find your assumptions are wrong. I’m not saying that some haven’t tried to take advantage of Abel, and the results haven’t been the best for Kawa. But Abel has had the best interests of Kawa at heart and done more for Kawa than just about anyone in recent history.

  20. Mummy Wummy says:

    Poisoned hearts, poisoned minds. So much of America has swept it’s way into too many Hawaiians who are laying down like lemmings before the leap off the cliff. Some will buy anything – “oh, Abel has a scary face”….huh? I think that should read as “I’ve heard rumours about Abel so I’m scared and so I believe him to have a scary face”.

    Pot smoking. Um, er, ah, ya! Great medicinal plant though I don’t imbibe myself….hey, used to be legal till Dow Chemical lobbied the government after the way to shut down hemp production so Dow could sell it’s nylon rope.

    This is all about manipulation, just like the Akaka Bill was…..can you spell ‘sucker” on the foreheads of too many Hawaiians? Yeeeee-up!

    And really, do we have to re-visit the fact that ohanna should take care of the bones, not the State or County? Geeze, look at Bishop Museum and what they got in there, yet the state/county says Hawaiians are not allowed to take care of their ancestors….gimme a break with the double standards.

    Oh, and one more point of grave interest (so to speak)….the country has covered and filled in the lava road that leads to Kawa…….that road has astronomy markers on it from the ancient days…..but then hey, they know what they’re doing NOT while they complete their inventory for what will become Billy and Wally World.

  21. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Good Abel not going be in Kawa anymore. He was there for himself and only himself. Sure people comment that he do this and that on the land, so what you saying if Abel was to come live on your land and build a stone wall he deserve to have the right to claim your land is his? He chase the kids whose ohana has been in Ka’u before he ever show his face in Kawa. He like land, tell him go buy his own! No go on somebody land and claim as his!

  22. Onyou says:

    So if the” county has covered and filled in the lava road that leads to Kawa……and that road has astronomy markers on it from the ancient days,” then why the hell didn’t Able stop everyone from using it, I tell you why, cause he was to busy defacing it himself! You must be one of the nut cases that lie around on the rocks with crystals and dance in the moonlight, what a bunch of nut cases!!

    And by the way, nobody asking you for your opinion on the burials, so you should just mind your own damn business!!

  23. kuuipo says:

    To talk bad about a person, especially to a kupuna shows that the mind set of some people are still stuck in the bucket syndrome. Don’t you know that the bucket was knocked over and na Alamihi is free? Whether if there is claim jumping going on or not, there is a place for all people at the table. Try starting with mutual respect for one another. No one is perfect. Uncle Abe is doing his best for all kanaka by standing in original jurisdiction. I support him on that. There is so much pilau going on all over Hawaii island. Kawa should be a place to unite and not fight. Direct the negative energies to the real enemies….the ones that manipulate the minds and cause conflict within small communities like yours. They have a different agenda and it’s doesn’t side with cultural sites, burial sites, resources, hawaiian rights or hawaiian life! Think about it!

  24. Amelia Gora says:

    Has it ever dawned on some of you that Abel Lui are actually the direct descendants of TIMOTEO KEAWE, the land owner on record on the Royal Patent which was conveyed in “ano alodio/alodio” perpetuity for the descendants/heirs? obviously the “Hawaiians or claimed Hawaiians on this forum” are not aware of the alodio system which is forever to the family(ies)…..bet many are renting huh? jealous even?

    The Lui family(ies) have spent lots of monies on their housing and appears that the City and County of Hawaii have been destroying their homes many times over……..

    Now who are the peoples who have been here for 3,000 to 5,000 years………and remain under duress like our Queen Liliuokalani who was wrongfully dethroned by treasonous, conspirators, pirates who PREMEDITATED the takeover of a neutral, friendly, non-violent nation………….it is obvious that OCCUPIERS think they own something and they really don’t…………learn your history, and you indoctrinated Hawaiians……you really should learn your true history…………shame on you for putting down those who would go to your defense in the event you find that your tutus land still belongs to you…..and it does…..so stop mouthing off and do your homework!

    As for the Hawaiian burials, respect from our Kanaka Maoli continues and if you read the 1859 Laws of the Hawaiian Kingdom you’ll find that there are laws set in place which prosecutes those who disturb burials….and if you people don’t know……tutus will take care too………..and btw is it ok to dig up your families burials too?

    Rights of way are also allowed by the Konohiki………then again OCCUPIERS don’t know and don’t understand……btw you do know that Occupiers can never own Hawaiian lands ….and should sue the title companies and the banks, etc. to get their monies back …..Kamehameha’s descendants/heirs exists which means Racketeering, Piracy(ies), Genocide Activities, etc. are on record……….do you have a conscience?

    Many call our Kanaka Maoli the “host” culture……….doesn’t that mean that many others are the “parasitic” culture?

    aloha from one of Kalaniopuu’s, Kamehameha’s, Kalanimoku’s youngest brother’s, Keliimaikai’s, et. als. descendants —if you don’t know these names, look them up in the RULING CHIEFS – by Samuel Kamakau, etc. and maybe you’ll learn something and then some. ….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRP3vUuT0w

  25. Humphries says:

    Since I was pregnant with my first son, we have been to kawa every weekend. It’s been a rare day that my husband has not surfed and healed his spirit at this special beach. Coming from Oahu where beach access is everywhere and easy, this was a lifeline for us. This land didn’t belong to able, it belonged to the families of Kau. We were strangers to able, don’t smoke weed and never contributed to any illegal cause. But kawa welcomed us, and now our way of life has been abruptly stopped. You all should be sad for the kids of Kau that just lost the only consistent surf beach on this side. Where will they go? To drugs? To alcohol? To premature sex? If this “site” turns into another city of refuge in the name of preservation for the dead, or black sand beach in the name of tourist $, our kids lose. Not the dead, and those dead are going to be rolling in their grave when they see what’s been lost. It should be about the kids, and if you don’t surf or enjoy the ocean pleas don’t comment.

  26. Mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana…now, now, now, be fair, be fair. What on earth gives you the impression that Abel was only there for himself? Really, I don’t think you know the inner workings of Kawa at all…Abel worked tirelessly to preserve the Queen’s bath, the sacred stream and so much more. His garden was a joint effort between himself and people who came to stay on the land – not only did it feed people but by the very nature of a garden itself the work is therapeutic for the people who were there to heal.

    Healing people is the least selfish work there is….he gave more than his physical and mental resources to this, he gave his heart and soul…..what do you do for a living? Yet Abel asked not for money, only for contribution to the aina if a person were able. Do you sacrifice yourself like this? I doubt it.

    Please, please put aside your judgemental self and have more of an objective view.

  27. Mummy Wummy says:

    Onyou, You know full well the effects of driving on pahoehoe…virtually none. How do you know Abel didn’t tell them not to cover it with gravel, are you psychic? BUT if gravel is layed down then the crushing and grinding effect of a truck will surely ruin the markers. And if he didn’t why didn’t these ‘expert’ scientists not know about it? Seems they were being rather short sighted – get Abel off land, use burial as the excuse to appeal to people’s hearts.

    What, I’m not allowed to comment on burial? You really do take the cake….you have no knowledge of who I am and my ties to Hawaii, do you, but instead you form opinion and judge both me and Abel…that , my dear, is what is known as ignorance. Google it.

  28. Mummy Wummy says:

    OHANAMEANSFAMILY: you visited a ‘couple’ of times? A couple of times? I’m going to have to assume you never learned the history of Kawa, and why, at times, there was a lot of trash there….duh, visitors who didn’t take theirs out, despite signs asking people to do so!

    Really, a creepy old guy??? Creepy in what way? None. Abel’s got more love in his heart than the average person but you obviously have no sense of Aloha, so wouldn’t be able to see that……such judgement and based on what – a couple of times!

    It’s the Tutu’s bones who will judge you and your ilk……you know, the undisturbed bones that I know for a fact some ohanna would come visit. What was stopping the others? Probably blatant disregard for their ancestry, then the county comes along with their manipulation and suddenly many who never gave a rat’s ass before are all down for preserving what’s already been preserved….only archeologists aren’t preserving, they are disturbing, and Tutu won’t like that!!!!

    Think of your karma….do you really know what you are bringing to yourself? Queen Liliaukalani , who’s spirit can still be seen at Hookena will be visiting Kawa, mark my words.

  29. REAL KA'U OHANA says:

    WOW ALOT OF EVIL COMING OUT!

    REALITY FACT* FOR THE FALSE CLAIMS ON KA’U FAMILY’S – NO ONE FROM KA’U OR ANY LONG TIME RESIDENT OR BORN HERE IS EVER HAPPY OR DOWN FOR THIS WAR ACT AND FULL ON OVERTHROW OF A HAWAIIAN FROM HIS BIRTHRIGHT PROVEN TUTU’S LAND THAT WAS NEVER FOR SALE* JAH PEOPLE STANDING BY TO TRAMPLE BABYLON WALLS AND THERE FOLLOWERS WITH TRUTH , RIGHTS, PEACE AND LOVE…TORTURE THEM WITH UPFULLNESS* CAUSE IT HURTS YES THE TRUTH HURTS.

  30. Onyou says:

    Since you insist and continue to protest by claiming that “”the road has astronomy markers on it from the ancient days,”and you were well aware of it all this time and didn’t do anything to stop the defacing of it by Abel and his family, then your just as responsible! Shame on you!! The state has laws that protect the iwi kupuna and historical sites, so fall in-line behind your beloved and his family, as this is the knowledge you inferred I needed to know of as in “who you are and your ties to Hawaii.” How “ish” like in sheepish!!

    Silly you! Psychic? I don’t need to be one to know your an ill mannered, direspectful, uninformed and truly clueless individual, who likes shooting her mouth off without researching her facts! You think, Mother Earth or our Tutu would approve of the Hewa you wish upon innocent individuals, your just as nuts as the one’s your in-line with!! So take your FAKE intuned with the universe tella tuby antenna’s elsewhere, and stayed tuned to Hawaii News Now for your next vision, as you seem to have enough personal issues to deal with like caring for your own burials!

  31. Onyou says:

    Okay now I’m laughing…@Amelia, Has it ever dawned on you that Abel Lui has already tried it with the true descendents and now lowers his eyes and head because he cannot stand when faced with the true direct descendants of TIMOTEO KEAWE, who are currently the land owners on record on the Royal Patent which was conveyed in “an alodio/alodio” perpetuity for the descendants/heirs?

    If you are a true genealogist, as you profess to be…tell me who in their right mind would bring their genealogy forward for others to cut and paste…seriously?

  32. HuneeGirl says:

    My Dear Mummy Wummy Ignorance? Lack of Knowledge & obviously YOU lack it!!.. don’t you think??
    got a liitle something that Might help you “The tongue of the wise makes knowledge attractive, but the mouth of fools blurts out foolishness!”… So with that said my Friend…. I’m thinking maybe YOU should do YOUR homework!!…
    So I suggest you take your nose & poke it elsewhere… Before you start RippiN holes around here… Mahalo :)

  33. Mummy Wummy says:

    Onyou….see what spills out of your mouth/mind because your mana is weak? You can’t even come up with a good arguement, no, you can only speak crap because that’s what’s inside your mind. THINK. THINK. There was no erosion of the lava that has the astronomy markers because there is a high iron content that Tutu Pele spilled out….got it? Good, now maybe you know something more about your own geography…how much does it take for perceived outsiders to wake you up???

    King Kamahameha sent out hundreds of people in canoes who made their way to the west coast of Turtle Island (that’s what we First Nations call North America) and blended with the indigenous people here. You want Hawaiian roots, you got ‘em! In fact it was Hawaiians who settled the Canadian (Kanata) Gulf Island , Salt Spring Island. Best you be taking notes, young one.

    Abel was married to a Canadian woman. They had three children together and sadly she died of a young age of cancer. Abel only had one heart for one woman, and that was that.

    Any other history of Hawaii or Kawa you need me to teach to you?

    BTW, I was only informed of the County’s bogus takeover yesterday, I left a message with Wally-World Lua informing him of the astronomy markers, so, looks like your opinion goes down the tubes once again, due to ignorance. Maybe you’d like to think about doing some growing up soon? Just a thought….

  34. Mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana….it’s obvious your opinion is tarnished by something…it’s not as if Abel didn’t have the lineage and title to be konohiki of Kawa….I’d say it’s more like some people in Ka’u resented the fact that one day someone showed up (Abel) to claim what was rightfully his and noses went out of joint because some thought they were the big fish in the small pond.

    And who was living at Kawa beforehand? NO ONE! So please spare us all about someone just coming and building a stone wall on your property because 1. Kawa is not your property. 2. No one was living there and at first Abel was camped out across the highway 3. Please stick to the facts instead of exaggerating something to the point of ridiculousness.

  35. mummy Wummy says:

    HuneeGirl: ah, I see, a classic case of projection…..nothing to back your claims, nothing to substantiate argument or discussion, just plain NOTHING from you, but plenty of facts from me. That’s ok, you’re young, you’ll learn.

  36. Anonymous says:

    Onyou: I believe you’re trying to spell ‘Allodial’ .

  37. Mummy Wummy says:

    Onyou; I believe you’re trying to spell “Allodial”.

  38. Anonymous says:

    @ Mummy Wummy! Who are you and where are you from? You talk all this talk are even Hawaiian? From what I’ve been reading on your comments. You obviously have not been to Kawa or if you have you have not gone in a long time. You sound like and look like one typical haole who thinks they know it all and tries to degrade and belittle others. That’s why haoles always get cracks from the Hawaiians because of there pure ignorance and lack of respect. Abel has desecrated Kawa by letting all these pot smoking haole hippies to pitch their tents and live there. He has made Kawa a tent city for the homeless with trash and human feces all over. Once they trash an area they pick up there tents and move to another area and leave all the opala behind. Abel a Konohiki! I don’t think so! A true Hawaiian would malama the aina and not let these things happen. But he joins in with them to continue to destroy the land. All you Hawaiians and Hawaiian at heart who are supporting Abel obviously have not been to Kawa and only commenting on what you read. If you’ve been there and seen with your own eyes how pilau Kawa is you wouldn’t be supporting this plastic Hawaiian. Thank God and good riddance!

  39. Louanne says:

    Mummy jones, your” hilarious”. Keep up your comedy act . Do what u must do.. Speek out its your right!! Grow wings!! Allow me to give u a fairy wand. Go get some sprinkle dust( legal or not)and fly away to neverland!! To funny!!!!

  40. mummy Wummy says:

    Louanne: Oh haha my dear young one….I see you still can not come up with substatetive argument so you resort to your childish ‘insults’. Come on , you must have a brain in there somewhere, how about using it to at least support your beliefs and give us some fat to chew on!

  41. Mummy Wummy says:

    Anonymous: Would it be too much to ask you to pay attention?

    I am a First Nations woman (Canadian Indian) on the west coast of Turtle Island (you do know that us fellow indigenous people call North America Turtle Island, don’t you? You do know why, don’t you…have fun Googling).

    I have been to Kawa many, many times and slept there many a time. Gosh, in Abel’s house there was a composting toilet – a very sustainable and ‘green’ method of turning kaka into compost for non-edible plants….but you obviously don’t know that and obviously aren’t respecting the aina enough to have one yourself.

    There were outhouses at the beach and I’ve cleaned them many times. The kaka gets double bagged and taken out….

    THERE IS NO HUMAN FECES AT KAWA…you are probably thinking of dog poo. Why would someone go to all the trouble of hiding in the bushes , which would take a considerable amount of effort when the outhouses are right there? Your imagination is superceded only by your lack of brain power. You obviously need an outlet for your creative abilities. Basket weaving?

    What is my connection to Hawaii besides going there many a time and spending four months at a time? What, you don’t know your own history? Kamehameha sent out hundreds of canoes with many landing on the west coast of Turtle Island and the Hawaiians inter-marrying coast tribes. OH< you didn't know that!!!!! Well, you are young and obviously have much to learn. Glad to be a teacher, now please run outside it's recess time.

  42. mummy Wummy says:

    It’s obvious from the detractive comments about Kawa and Uncle Abel that those who stand for the wrongful eviction are either haoli or Hawaiians who are not Hawaiians…in other words, they are indoctrinated by haoli law, haoli belief system and haoli lifestyle.

    It is even more evident they have not been to Kawa much , if at all. If they had, they wouldn’t spread the falsehoods that they do. It’s also indicitive of youth and we see by arguement that Kapunas rules here, along with the ‘true’ Hawaiians.

    I suggest these poor souls do some reading on history and law – it may open your eyes to the fact that you have entitlement to land you never thought you did. Maybe that will shake you up before Tutu Pele shakes you up….because once She has spoken and Ke Kai cleanses the shores it may be too late for you.

    So sad to see fellow indigenous people acting like Americans! But then I suppose you support all that is America (you’d have to with the bogus details you are writing) from the Bush administration’s war on Iraq to paying parking fines …..gimme a break. I live sovereignly here and while in Hawaii. You don’t even want to know how much ‘they’ think I owe in parking fines, but ‘they’ are too scared to go to court because they know I have them hand over a barrel in legal arguement.

    So why not take some time out to learn your rights, learn what it really means to be indigenous, learn to assert your rights and know that the U.S. Government owes you one heaping shit load of money?

    Then and only then, once armed with knowledge, can you make ANY substantial claims to what is happening at Kawa. Otherwise you remain in kindergarden and oblivious to the world and the Big Picture around you….because all I’m seeing are petty complaints based on rumour and American Law. Talk about sell-outs, you don’t even know what you sold!

  43. Louanne says:

    Mummy jones, again!!you dont live in HAWAII, you only read newspapers and listen to his blogs.
    You are a follower . You befriend his followers and pick pieces of info and you make your own , like you really knowledgable about whats happening. I dont listen to any followers. I am fact . I seen , i know what was hidden by human eyes…. … Did you!!!! I live her in hilo!! I do know more.. I dont need to show my facts.. Just remember me …
    I did my walk and now i have the right to talk. So when you decide to move your rightous butt off the mainland and see and do the walk .. Then i will take you seriously. Other then that keep your dreamy comments!. So when you ready to come down to Hawaii . Go and do your search start with his gyneology. That he hasnt given to the judge to prove his so call his family!!! Then he tried to move in other peoples gyneology.and that didnt work..Then it went to hawaiian rights . Kingdom of Hawaii..To the use of Gods land. .. Mummy jones. Do your research here in hilo!!! Stop reading newspapers, blogs, his supporters.. And use your brains on what is real facts!!!

  44. ILoveHaters says:

    Mummy Wummy YOU are a JOKE!!

  45. SIGH@MUMMY says:

    I love how you laid it out plain and simple… now all you have to do is FOLLOW your “how to” list and then you will have the knowledge to back up your words. What to you constitutes a “true” Hawaiian? i speak the language, know the culture, & practice Hawaiian spirituality… does that constitute as being a “true” Hawaiian? Many of the people you are talking smack to has been a part of Kawa for a very long time and can do more than just talk but PREACH about Kawa! YOU speak from the outside looking in and when you can learn to understand where WE are coming from then you can talk but until then maybe you should take baby steps and start by learning to spell Hawaiian words correctly.

  46. HuneeGirl says:

    Oh my Mummy Wummy…. I’m beggining to think your either dillusional or your taking a like to all this attention!…
    :D

  47. HuneeGirl says:

    Beginning^ ;D

  48. Louanne says:

    Mummy jones and All here in this comment blog…..We go back and forth . Talking about who we are, what we are. Who to believe….. We live in different places and born in different places. On and On!!! I have forgotten through these days, how to be humble and not to bring myself down to anyones level, but im human… And how much my focus has led me to speak out. Im going to leave what is happening in KAWA,” IN THE LORDS HANDS!! ” And keep praying that the county is doing what is right ! My way … or your way .. It doesnt matter its “GODS WAY”

  49. Onyou says:

    Oh Dummy Mummy, you’ll be a laughing stock once again! Think I’ll ride this one out with what you think are astronomy markers! Laugh out loud!!

    You sicken me with your desperate acts. Using that poor deceased woman and innocent children, to push your agenda is not only disrespectful, but shameful! I guess his Haole girl is just an appetizer then, right? Clueless you!!

    Before you think you can teach me anything, you had better get your facts straight, as I have no respect for people who just think they know, but don’t know a damn thing about what they’re talking about!

  50. Mo Mi says:

    Let Kenoi’s name go down in infamy. He supports geothermal, biomass, PLDC and the ethnic cleansing of the beaches of Hawaiians who own the beach. Kenoi maha`oi. I hope people don’t vote for the squid.

  51. Mummy Wummy says:

    Haha, well, I have to say that some of you make attempts at tearing me down, however, sadly, they are not very valiant ones.

    I have been wintering in Hawaii for over ten years now..usually stay four months. Much of that time is spent at Kawa. What, you never seen the Canadian Indian woman down there? Hmm…you probably don’t frequent Kawa much.

    A ‘true’ Hawaiian is like any ‘true’ indigenous person….we are all interconnected , and , being from the west coast, like I say, Kamahamaha’s hundreds of men who landed here and settled here…well you do the math….er, pardon me, arithmetic because math might be beyond you.

    So, more onto being indigenous….it means not just learning the culture and language but standing up for it as well and being able to see the white man’s lies. The county pulled a charette….you’re probably not familiar with this technique nor the divide and conquer tactic (age old, age old), because your arguments are AMERICAN, not indigenous! Seriously, read up on the Bolivian Rights of Mother Earth and other international indigenous community documents.

    I realize many of you are young and naive, and that’s fine….but this is your opportunity to learn and to stand up for what is rightfully yours, because America, the worst colonizing nation in the world, has seeped into your bones. Time to shake off the U.S. propoganda machine and get what is owed to you in land and money. THEN you can be proud of a good fight, of good work, proud of being indigenous….because the way it is now is you are puppets in the game and CAN’T stand tall because you have nothing to back you, save for that American flag. Start flying it at half-mast and bring full on Hawaiian flag – be pono!

  52. Louanne says:

    Mummy jones and All here in this comment blog…..We go back and forth . Talking about who we are, what we are. Who to believe….. We live in different places and born in different places. On and On!!! I have forgotten through these days, how to be humble and not to bring myself down to anyones level, but im human… And how much my focus has led me to speak out. Im going to leave what is happening in KAWA,” IN THE LORDS HANDS!! ” And keep praying that the county is doing what is right ! My way … or your way .. It doesnt matter its “GODS WAY”

  53. Mummy Dearest says:

    Dear Mummy,
    Wrap it up cause no one wants to hear your activist rants about how America is the worst colonizing nation. whether we like it or not it is what it is so stop trying to use your outdated activist rants to persuade people into thinking that what is going on is an attempt to undermine and develop cause its not. have a beautiful day and when you come to visit call me i can show you around, you might actually learn something on this trip :)

  54. Hana says:

    Continue with educating the greedy, Mummy Wummy. People need to wake up to the truth or it will next be their homes and gardens that will be demolished. Wake up!

  55. Hana says:

    Please sign the petitions and flood the politician’s phone who are responsible for this atrocity:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/state-and-county-of-hawaii-t

    http://www.causes.com/causes/792796-kanaka-maoli-march-on-am

    http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/freekawaafreehawaii

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  56. NAUKANA says:

    Yes Mummy good words of truth never give up. So much sense and truth. how dare them step to your hard facts and say no one wants to hear it..wow blows so many away ..here 20 people looking at this right now on a projection screen. AUWE AOLE NO GOOD THIS KINE I LIKE BUST COCONUT’S OPEN NOW!! AKUA REMOVE THEM FOR THERE OWN SAFETY.. I SEE THE VIOLENCE SO MANY ANGRY SO MUCH FURY..YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING MOVING FAR AWAY BACK WHERE YOU PILAU FAMILY CAME FROM.. HEWA HEWA HEWA HEWA!!!!!!!!!!!!

  57. Jah love says:

    All you freaking honkeys trying to bring change to kawa, why? Abel and Moses and everyone who go there been doing one good job keeping kawa natural. You like make em better all need is one blue toilet from the toilet pumping company. What ou bust down Abel’s shack and you no say nothing about the huge house down the road. What no archeological sights there? Not anymore, cause they one bulldoze em. what no sights under the golf course either? Bad decision by the state and those in charge. You should build able one new house now you punks. Protect Hawaii from these Babylonians . Billy kenoi and Wally lau haulies to da max

  58. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Aloha – It seems as though Mr. Abel has some supporters, perhaps instead of making wasteful, untruthful, negative comments about other Hawaiian Families, Hawaii tax payers, and about our Dear State & Officials; you should all reach deep into your pockets and pull out some dollars and start a fund for Mr. Abel. This will allow him to legally purchase his own piece of ‘aina to which he can be a konihiki, an owner, and a tax payer. Go ahead donate your hard earned money or even your own ‘aina to Mr. Abel, reach deep in your pockets and give or buy this man some ‘aina… If you are “gonna talk da talk then braddah walk da walk”.. Just saying….

  59. Powerless says:

    Abel “couldnt” do it with his gyneology, so now he got his followers to bark!!

  60. U got what i need says:

    Geneology!!

  61. Powerless says:

    Maybe you my daddy? Abel

  62. Mummy Wummy says:

    Mummy Dearest…don’t you take the cake? You CHOOSE to recognize Hawaii as being a State within the United States then you get all the crap that comes with being an American citizen who’s asleep at the wheel. Now, if you actively worked for a better U.S.A., we might have something in common, but you prefer the lazy life , yes, I know the type too well….someone brings something to light and you call it activist crap cause you don’t like change. The status quo got us all into the great big mess this world is in, so you just going to keep sitting on your fat arse?

    I’ll pass on your invitation, you seem to have no sense of direction and I’m not into getting lost.

  63. mummy Wummy says:

    Too many Coconuts in Ka’u…..brown on da outside, white on the inside.

  64. Fake says:

    Hey Mammy, you so righteous, powerful, smart woman .
    Just you alone can bring lui back onto the land.. You are so knowledgable!
    Like your blood is Hawaiian!! U go sista!! But we need you in Kawa a bay!!
    Not in Canada. You got to help unco here. You tough lady!! Tough like the leather!
    You can oust everyone from Hilo if you like! So meaningful !! Im liking that.
    Bark and bite!! I like learn!!

  65. Fake says:

    See . She tough cookie!! Ya!! Call all the
    People in KAU.. CoCoNuts..

    “COCONUTS!! “Wow powerful words.. Dark outside
    And white inside…
    Shazzzam!!

  66. ANTI DUMMY says:

    You guys are the brown coconut’s !!! the sold out family hello!! the one having hawaiians remove hawaiians and starting a unrest! bu apiki bu omerod bu christian buu nani bu olson bu U.S.A. bu all the lippers acting like they from Ka’u. You guys are nothing , your ancestral spirits just de owned your American now don’t use hawaiian anymore and go somewhere else for we are inheriting kawa back no matter what, Bye Bye!!

  67. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Oh no, that is truly shameful. The analogy of coconuts and the people in Ka’u, was unnecessary and blatantly disrespectful. Those who appreciate and honor our Hawaiian culture know that the coconut tree and the coconut itself was very important to our ancestors of Hawaii. It was symbolic and necessary. Every part of the coconut tree was used and never wasted. The shell was used for food storage, hula implements, tools, and so forth. The coconut was also a part of their food staple. The coconut’s importance was mentioned in many Hawaiian Myths & Legends.

    ACTUALLY THE COCONUT TREE REPRESENTED LIFE ITSELF.

    So, please be respectful, careful, and mindful of how you use your analogies, because you may actually sound “dumb” and cause some to say “typical haole”. See that wasn’t nice was that – don’t worry it was just an example and it didn’t imply my true feelings….. Hmmm

    Oh, and by the way – ignorance is no excuse!!!!

  68. Good Deed says:

    I see one lady , wendy jones/ mummy wummy.
    You are slithering all over with you fangs in commenting everyone on here.
    You are a trouble maker!! Calling kau people coconuts!
    Shame !! Pilau! You speak of knowledge like an encyclopedia.Not!!
    Stop being Niele and let the people speak there opinion.

    Pupule Pa’akiki wahine Jones!!!
    Dont call people from Kau Coconuts!!!

  69. Anakala says:

    Kaʻu Ohana/U got what i need/Powerless/Mummy Dearest/Louanne/Fake/Onyou/Here2Stay/Anonymous/etc etc etc….

    You can continue to create new monikers every time you comment to make it seem like more than just a handful of related people are posting negative things about Abel, but you arent fooling anyone.

    Same IP addresses, same bullsh*t. So shame you guys!

  70. NA AO KA PO'E says:

    It’s quite obvious who the bad coconuts are… let the weeds be plucked from the Garden of Life! Apiki…doodoo. Omerod…doodoo. Nani Ome..rod… rotten. Christian… doodoo. FAKE… GMO.

    Now honestly, it is blatantly WRONG to remove any Native tenant from any and or all Native land. there proves to be NO righteousness in that WHATSOEVER, let alone one of the only two men I’ve seen taking responsibility of caring for this specific site in ALL my visits. I have been coming to this beach quite frequently if not every day for the past 2 years with someone who was raised in Ka’u and has spent most if not all “free” time at Kawa. According to primary evidence through personal experience I have been blessed by Akua Himself, to have interacted with and to have gotten to know Abel and Moses on a more personal level to determine their character, might I add, OUTSTANDING, most definitely deserving of utmost Respect, the way they carry themselves and the actions they take in any situation has proven to be of GREATEST CONTRADICTION to the FALSIFIED statements, *an obviously desperate attempt to convey a FAKE portrait of some sort of Bad Guy to fool the masses. God knows the truth.

    ALSO, No one is calling “the People in KAU.. CoCoNuts.. ” YOU are the CocoNUT!

    Thanks to these and other lost souls we will no longer be, even as the native people of the land, free to camp at Kawa and exercise our freedom to the Native Lifestyle whether it be gathering, fishing, or surfing no matter the length of time.. we should not and cannot be refused these rights.

    Tutu says:
    ” ‘Auma ku u a Mai
    Kia pa loa’a Mai
    Kia pa loa’a Mai
    ‘Auma ku u a Mai
    ‘Auma ku u a Mai ”

    Oh ancestors of the past come to thy breath.
    Bestow thy blessings unto thee.
    Thy desires, thy blessings of birth.
    Oh ancestors of the past come to thy breath.

    Mahalo ke Akua

  71. NA AO KA PO'E says:

    almost forgot, Kanaka Hawaiian here – Louanne Ondo(now where exactly does that derive from anyways?) …PALU BAG LIPS! auwe ok really you asking for love spankings from one real kupuna or you like the spiritual licken stick from the iwi kupuna? Seems you’re begging for it or else you’d leave the innocent people alone, who stand for Akua. if wasn’t for them the Hawaiians would have been exterminated by Americans. Process eliminated, never mind open your mouth again. ever. A’ole! Bad bad bad BAD!!

  72. Free Kawa'a says:

    When I was traveling in Fiji, I visited a village which had been “legally” traded for a piece of red cloth. the Fijians had never seen red cloth, and had no idea of its value, or what was being traded. This still stands. The people do not own the land on which they live and work (plant), even though they have contested this as an act of deception. Awue. Hawaiians, beware! Divide and conquer is the way. United you stand, divided you get trampled and cheated.
    Besides the paperwork issues here, which I am sure carry their own levels of deception and cheating, I see a Hawaiian man, care taking an unspeakably important and beautiful piece of land on which he grows food, and tends to and protects with aloha. He maintains the land in its most natural form, mahalo uncle, from our great grandchildren. We should honor this man, thank this man for doing the real work, the work of protecting water and sacred Hawaiian land for future generations. Those who do not support this please have a look around at the world, or just the island, and rethink with aloha and great fullness.
    The first thing county did is build a road saying the could not get their trucks in. I have driven low riding mini van down that road, albeight carefully…..no need open the place up to more traffic! first bad idea. next is a yellow gate with a sign about hours and regulations, people needing to be the boss of the place, if were lucky and it does not get handed over to resort or other intrests and we are still allowed to even enjoy it! I would not be surprised if they want to pour concrete, put in a bathroom, who knows, all these western ways. Uncles composting toilets were great. Thank you, for maintaining those for so long, we know it’s a sh—ty job, but this man did that for us, with a humble smile and abounding mana.
    Let’s not let the awesome days of sleeping on the beach under the moon, campfires and music and abundant free joy, watching the sunrise and catching the first clean waves be over! Living in self regulated aloha, keeping clean and sacred land unscathed. Appreciating chilly spring water filled with powerful minerals and cleansing purity. HaleluJah!
    Anyone who says they got yelled at by Abel… That must have been hard to do.
    And what about uncles garden? Thirty days with no love is no way to treat kalo. What county? You taking kea behind those gates and guns? You tending the garden for us?
    Free Kawa’a!

  73. Louanne says:

    IN GODS HANDS!!!!

  74. Mummy Wummy says:

    Hawaiians with haoli mindset = coconut
    Native Indian with haoli mindset = apple
    African American with haoli mindset – oreo

    BTW, I’m First Nations (Canadian Indian), but I ain’t no apple :D

    And here’s the skinny on what Kawa will be used for – yes, growing GMO crops for biodiesel:

    http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2011/08/04/12421-proposed-big-island-biofuel-plant-attracts-strong-supporters-vocal-skeptics/

  75. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Well – you have shown your true selve or true self, perhaps since many similar comments after my comment indicates that YOU are the same person with many monikers indeed!!!!

    That you are a foreigner to our islands – that you are a foreigner to our culture. You seemed threatened; this is bigger than the names you mention. Your name calling, cruel and disrespectful analogies, truly shows YOUR weaknesses and that that YOU are afraid.
    As I review the few articles on Abel and his followers being evicted, there are MANY people that agree for many different reasons, with his eviction – many different families in Ka’u/Hawaii/and The Contingent States.

    Since you support Mr. Abel, and that he and his followers have been evicted – “put your money where your mouth is” and start a fund; all his supporters – pitch in and help pay for some ‘aina or even donate yours – near or far. He can be a konohiki – a land owner – and a tax payer of his own piece of ‘aina….

  76. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Also, mummy – thank you for back peddling and changing your remark about people of Ka’u – ” Too many Coconuts in Ka’u…..brown on da outside, white on the inside.”

    You are now saying:

    Hawaiians with haoli mindset = coconut
    Native Indian with haoli mindset = apple
    African American with haoli mindset – oreo

    Hmmm, still disrespectful…. Besides once you post it – you really can’t take it back.

    Especially since Mr. Abel and his followers were living in Ka’u…. and since Mr. Abel is saying his lineage is from Ka’u, we wouldn’t want him to think you are calling “him a coconut” – YOUR description “brown on the outside – white on the inside”….

    GLAD you corrected yourself – perhaps you should think before you post….

    Just saying………

  77. Anti Apiki Movment says:

    DODO You sold out money hungry ones are the Coconut….it means sold out!!! That’s what you did! Brown on outside – barely and U.S.A. in the inside …NOT ABEL or KA’U People and you making all kind trouble saying you is Ka’u Ohana then talk BS and make The real Ka’u Ohana all confused because everyone from Ka’u knows this is lies and shows your guys IP address lol —> YOU ARE CLOWNS!!! Go back Oahu or whatever big town or city you come from. BEAT IT!

  78. NA AO KA PO'E says:

    Apiki relatives and Queen of the Apikites – Louanne Ondo(now where exactly does that derive from anyways?) …PALU BAG LIPS! auwe ok really you asking for love spankings from one real kupuna or you like the spiritual licken stick from the iwi kupuna? Seems you’re begging for it or else you’d leave the innocent people alone, who stand for Akua. if wasn’t for them the Hawaiians would have been exterminated by Americans. Process eliminated, never mind open your mouth again. ever. A’ole! Bad bad bad BAD!! You still opened your mouth …Bad Bad Bad Bad !! Tutu is watching your anger and push for the last words of lies! Grow up and know yourself!

  79. mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana: No back-peddling here…..only reaffirming what I said and adding the others to the list as surprised you’ve never heard colonized Hawaiians being called coconuts. So, to demonstrate that this expression exists and that there are similar expressions for other groups, I wrote Apple and Oreo….get it now? Maybe not, the molasses in your grey matter seems clogged up and not draining.

    Abel is not a coconut. He is Hawaiian through and through. You are using pretzel logic, but that’s because you have no reality to grasp, only pie in the sky dreams of living the American nightmare, er, I mean dream.

    I certainly don’t feel any threats….I am very familiar with Hawaiian culture , most likely far more than you are with First Nations culture…..ah but we’re another indigenous group so I don’t suppose you’d want to turn any of your attention onto that because ‘indigenous’ seems kinda icky to you……fess up, are you white or Hawaiian?

    Projecting your own insecurities onto me isn’t very helpful, is it? I mean think, you have a lot to learn but how are you going to do that if you’re so muddled up in your mind that you don’t really know who you are? BE the change you want to see.

    ‘Many families’ , hmm, maybe SEVERAL but not MANY….certainly not the majority. Again, ohannas were hood-winked into this. “Oh, roots, roots, I have roots I never knew about and the county is telling me this and that i have a right to Kawa so I’ll let the county buy it instead of placing it back in my hands as a co-family because I’m a sheeple and need the county to tell me what to do then sit back while they steal land”. Good one!

    So perhaps YOU might look before you leap……oh, and ah, pool in to buy Abel land and a house? Why, when the County took what is legally his? Maybe pool in to get him a good lawyer :D

  80. Mummy Wummy says:

    Good Deed: your post leaves me with one conclusion: You are a coconut.

  81. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Oh yes you back peddled. Gotcha…. Well, that’s alright. Like I said, GLAD you corrected yourself – perhaps you should think before you post.
    Just saying…..
    again…….

  82. mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana: I don’t think you know what back peddling means….it means trying to cover up a mistake with sophistry….but I haven’t done that, have I ? No, what I did was post it again and then some samples of other expressions so someone like YOU might be able to understand what ‘coconut’ means.

    Had I been back peddling I might have written something like, “what I meant by coconut was that it symbolizes the people of Ka’u who are Hawaiian” and left out the part of brown on outside , white on inside…..DO YOU GET THAT YET?

    I suppose not…cuz you either one great big fat coconut or haoli….what’s your lineage or are you too afraid to say?

  83. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Oh yes you back peddled. Gotcha…. Well, that’s alright. Like I said, GLAD you corrected yourself – perhaps you should think before you post.
    Just saying…..
    again…….
    In case you need clarification, that’s what you did….

  84. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Mummy,
    Sounds like your losing control and having some anger issues. I don’t need to confirm my heritage to you, however since it seems as though your temperment may cause you a health scare – I will calm your nerves and tell you, yes indeed I am Hawaiian – born and raised… Proud too… Yes, as my name indicates my Ohana is from Ka’u….
    I don’t require knowing your heritage or why perhaps your opinion matters. But then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Name calling, well that is just childish and immature – I’m just too proud to be a Hawaiian to do that….

    But like I stated before:

    Oh yes you back peddled. GLAD you corrected yourself – perhaps you should think before you post.
    Just saying…..
    again…….

  85. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Mummy – Also, you are misusing a Hawaiian word – if you are trying to be insulting by using the Hawaiian word for “white man” you might want to learn our ‘olelo (language).

    Because you are misspelling our word for “white man”. It is HAOLE not haoli… oops your bad… gotcha…..

    That’s alright I didn’t mind helping to correct your ridiculous error.

  86. Ka'u Ohana says:

    one more note: mummy
    Sounds like your losing control and having some anger issues. I don’t need to confirm my heritage to you, however since it seems as though your temperment may cause you a health scare – I will calm your nerves and tell you, yes indeed I am Hawaiian – born and raised… Proud too… Yes, as my name indicates my Ohana is from Ka’u….
    I don’t require knowing your heritage or why perhaps your opinion matters. But then again everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Name calling, well that is just childish and immature – I’m just too proud to be a Hawaiian to do that….

    But like I stated before:

    Oh yes you back peddled. GLAD you corrected yourself – perhaps you should think before you post.
    Just saying…..
    (hope you understood this time)

  87. Napoleon says:

    @MUMMY WUMMY & @AMELIA…… U GUYS NEED TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE… SERIOUSLY!!!! TIMOTEO KEAWE IS MY GREAT- GREAT GRANDFATHER NOT ABELS… I HAVE PAPER WORK TO PROVE IT TOO… ABEL LUI IS NOT RELATED TO ME WHAT SO EVER… MY FATHER IS GEORGE NAPOLEON… BEFORE U GUYS OPEN YOUR MOUTHS KNOW ALL THE FACTS FIRST!!!! WE HAVE BEEN GOING DOWN THEIR FOR MANY MANY YEARS WITH OUR FAMILIES & WE STILL GO DOWN TO KAWA… ABEL IS ALWAYS STARTING SHIT DOWN THERE WITH PEOPLE & EVEN WITH US SO I AM TRULY HAPPY THAT HE IS GONE….

  88. SHUT IT NAPOLEON WE KNOW YOU ALL TOO WELL! says:

    Abel is a Hawaiian, Lui is more Hawaiian than french Napoleon = Sold out rich family no can handle one humble poor Hawaiian was put there and blessed for 30 years. He and many others have the dead and His nephew Timoteo Keawe has the land title and is still in appeal in U.N. and Fed Court. Save The BS for some other planet! we have enough of the Apikites BS now NAPOLEONS!! DIVIDE AND CONQUER YOUR OWN KIND = SOLD OUT!

    No can handle a pono kanaka maoli living off the Aina in peace, so you kick him off and call A Hawaiian a squatter. Wow you guys asking for trouble ah! No Good This kine people !!

    You left all your RUBBISH , Tin roofs and all kine KAKA!!! Liter = 500$ fine and fake Hawaiian claims COCONUT BROWN INSIDE AMERICAN INSIDE!! = SOLD OUT!! , no Hawaiian leaves all their rubbish no matter what the reason you can come up with, no excuse at all! Pilau like the Apiki unfriendly no Aloha claim to be Hawaiian too but pure American with hawaiian skin!! SOLD OUT!!! SHUT IT AND STAY HOME NO GET INVOLVED AGAIN!! BUMBYE YOU GOING LEARN THE KANAKA WAY!

  89. ROTTEN COCONUT NAPOLEON / APIKI ITES says:

    BROWN INSIDE COCONUT CUS ROTTEN LIKE ONE SOLD OUT BROWN AMERICAN SLAVE! FIGHTING AND SPLITTING UP YOUR OWN RACE = SOLD OUT. GO PICK UP ALL YOUR OPALA YOU LEFT RIGHT NEXT TO THE SACRED WATER!!!!!!! NO GOOD YOU WILL ALL NOT EVER BE ALLOWED ON KAWA BY AKUA and THE IWI KUPUNA, YOU CAN TRY TAKE OVER AND CAUSE UN REST AND FALSE CLAIMS WITH MADE UP TITLES AND MONEY FROM AMERICA AND THEIR LAWS OF UN JUSTIVCE, MAN NO NEED TOUCH OR LOOK AT YOU, YOU ALL WILL BE REMOVED SPIRITUALLY!

  90. Good Deed says:

    Again , mummy jones , Again you are calling people from Kau
    CoConut! You should be very carefull!!

  91. What People of Ka'u says:

    WHO are these Ka’u people your speaking of? So full of BS!

    Name some maybe at least 10?

    C’mon no be scared you guys are “Hawaiians” right?

  92. NA AO KA PO'E says:

    It’s quite obvious who the bad coconuts are… let the weeds be plucked from the Garden of Life! Apiki…doodoo. Omerod…doodoo. Nani Ome..rod… rotten. Christian… doodoo. FAKE… GMO.

    Now honestly, it is blatantly WRONG to remove any Native tenant from any and or all Native land. there proves to be NO righteousness in that WHATSOEVER, let alone one of the only two men I’ve seen taking responsibility of caring for this specific site in ALL my visits. I have been coming to this beach quite frequently if not every day for the past 2 years with someone who was raised in Ka’u and has spent most if not all “free” time at Kawa. According to primary evidence through personal experience I have been blessed by Akua Himself, to have interacted with and to have gotten to know Abel and Moses on a more personal level to determine their character, might I add, OUTSTANDING, most definitely deserving of utmost Respect, the way they carry themselves and the actions they take in any situation has proven to be of GREATEST CONTRADICTION to the FALSIFIED statements, *an obviously desperate attempt to convey a FAKE portrait of some sort of Bad Guy to fool the masses. God knows the truth.

    ALSO, No one is calling “the People in KAU.. CoCoNuts.. ” YOU are the CocoNUT!

    Thanks to these and other lost souls we will no longer be, even as the native people of the land, free to camp at Kawa and exercise our freedom to the Native Lifestyle whether it be gathering, fishing, or surfing no matter the length of time.. we should not and cannot be refused these rights.

    Tutu says:
    ” ‘Auma ku u a Mai
    Kia pa loa’a Mai
    Kia pa loa’a Mai
    ‘Auma ku u a Mai
    ‘Auma ku u a Mai ”

    Oh ancestors of the past come to thy breath.
    Bestow thy blessings unto thee.
    Thy desires, thy blessings of birth.
    Oh ancestors of the past come to thy breath.

    Mahalo ke Akua

  93. Louanne says:

    Lets straighten this out…. Apiki lived in Kau and there are
    family members who live there still.
    In the Real World. As we speak ,county has the land!! BUT
    “GOD OWNS THE LAND” there is so much going on in here
    As it continues out ,in Kawa. There is nothing anyone can do
    At this point.Unless you want to cross the line with the county.
    You want to go down , you need to get with the county.
    Abels follower,
    Continue your petition. Arguing and pointing fingers aint making
    Kawa stand still for either side. It is what it is for now.

  94. Ka'u Ohana says:

    To clarify and to correct those that are confused.

    I AM NOT LOUANNE.(but she is right – do your research and compare the info & genealogies)

    I am knowledgeable and aware of the facts & genealogies.

    It is SIMPLE and comes down to one fact:

    As “Napoleon” points out – Mr. Abel is NOT related to the Timoteo Keawe of Kawa……

  95. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Let’s see hmm – I am noticing a pattern here…. Mummy is gone and now all these foul mouthed commenters are out. I say, in fact – I know that mummy is the same person as these foul mouthed commenters. This pattern is a repeat from prior posts. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are commenting with Mr. Abel and his followers in disguise.
    If so, I say to Mr. Abel – bring your genealogy and papers to court and prove your ownership – oh wait you have and you lost – several times. Now the ancestral iwi in Kawa, that are not related to you is whispering in the Kawa wind – no more. The truth has revealed itself…..
    All Pau ….

  96. Ka'u Ohana says:

    One more thing; Shame on you negative foul commenter(s) – all you are doing is proving that you do not have the right to be at or live at Kawa. Outside of your foulness and ugliness, Kawa is sacred & beautiful – you’ve brought/tried to bring darkness to Kawa. But you were never able to break its mana – and now it’s mana has pushed you away…
    So, your foul words and disgusting comments no longer matter – especially since you have nothing nice to say. Trying to discredit the ones saying the truth with foulness, only shows your FEAR….

  97. NA AO KA PO'E says:

    O’ flouride brainwashed wanna be Hawaiian at heart but fully sold out lol too funny watching you same lil few supporting bad deeds and corrupted laws and violent against humans – un humanitarian.

    We are not buying your BS.

    Nor ever thinking anyone named Ka’u Ohana is from Ka’u

    if so shame on you!!

    and where have you been hiding in Ka’u?

    Are you ever going to come out from hiding? 30-40 years Ohana here been going kawa everyday every week every year…we miss you when we drive home but we there every day and never seen you peoples there much just recently..mad over fed make up stuff cause trouble people you are!!

    @Napoleon punks too. – all negative violent trash makers!!

    YOU left trash all over ice pond shores ALL OVER TIN ROOFS AND NAILS AND ALL KIND CRAP!!! CLEAN IT UP HAWAIIANS!! over 15 years you just left it!!! Abel never bothered you ever!! come down in 15-20 people invade the beach, no make friends , hate haoles and just no good souls at at no wonder you guys get horrible life’s?!

    Is why gotta try feel powerful now and rich by this and then use the iwi kupuna,

    How risky to your own life if knowing Hawaiian spirits are rea and you are doing bad. crap all over then leave you rubbish to crap on the true Konohiki!!! How dare you come get in it now!!!

    So LISTEN GOOD you taking Kawa does not mean the many many many people of all races and colors can ever be stopped,

    if you think you can call it a historical site and gate it off, it will never happen not by me or man but God will let the people of His to continue to enjoy it and live pono together not for our own power trips and so recent lineage claims, so weak….nothing you got all your words you stay wasting your life on this , don’t get your hopes up too much and hold that money tight, i wish you the best in what’s to come to you from any actions you may be involved in causing foul and harm to innocent people and children.

    Wake up cus kawa was always there for Hawaiians to go if you from Ka’u , Ka’u Ohana WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN TO TELL ANYONE YOU OWN LAND? Before Able . before all this mess now exposing Ka’u to the world, the water, the fishing , life ..everything exposed and you said this is for better feeling’s about dead people? Holy Chittt SO LOST YOUR WHOLE OHANA IS. THERE IS NO HOPE IN YOU PEOPLE AND I AGREE WITH ABOVE GO CLEAN UP YOUR RUBBISH NAPOLEON!!!! IGNORING THE TRUTH AND TARGETING ONE HAOLE LADY IS SO WEAK AND COWARDLINESS, YOUR REALLY HAWAIIAN? MUMMY HAS BEEN PIN POINT ON EVERYTHING AND YOU GUYS LOOK STUPID EVERY TIME, THEN COME BACK WITH THE LAST WORDS OF SAME BS AND POWER TRIPS AND NO ALOHA OR CARE OR LIFE, NOTHING PONO AT ALL LIKE WALLY LAU TALKING ABOUT IWI KUPUNA WHILE THEY LAY GRAVEL AND CAUSE EXPOSURE TO THE HIDDEN SACRED AINA!!! NO GOOD !!

    SAVE YOUR LAST WORDS AND DISTRACTIONS FOR SOMEONE ELSE YOUR WASTING YOU LIFE, GO LOOK UP REAL HISTORY AND ALOHA CUS YOU GUYS AIN’T IT NOT ONLINE AND NOT IN PERSON.

    HERE SOME TRUE FACTS / HISTORY!! WAKE UP!! O I FORGOT YOU GUYS SOOOO MONEY FAT!!

    here it is anyways —–>

    Two hundred years or so ago, the International Corporative Army of the Vatican were a sect known as Society of Jesus, Jesuits. Today, they bear many titles and garments, like Order of this or CFR or Trilateral of that. At the beginning of the 1800, the Hawaiian Kingdom had per capita more of these elements than any other location. Some were disguised as Seamen, Missionaries, and of course Diplomats. Most were well learned with a specialty that was lacking in their target locations throughout the World. Hawaii was a perfect target!

    The scary part is, they have never left any country they gained control of or even excommunicated from. They are like a cancer that stays alive within a person and dies only when its provider dies. However, Hawaii is not alone for even the Great Invader, the Federal United States of America is its victim of this darkness.

  98. Anonymous says:

    Poor , poor Ka’u Ohana still doesn’t know the meaning of back peddle…sigh, hopeless American. And loosing my temper, naw, wouldn’t waste losing my temper on this issue….or many others. Too old for that. But you youngsters do like to play, don’t you, but all the while you think “I’m not playing, I’m serious and i’m going to prove somethings”. DRAMA QUEEN!

    I had quite the smile when I returned home from work and saw I was being accused of writing under different monikers. Hmm, wonder how that could have happened when I don’t have access to a computer while working – wait – I know – I’m MAGIC!!!!

    The world is about to come tumbling down , the economy is nearing implosion point and America will be one of the hardest hit countries. But that’s the karma for world greed and Canada will go down too….then everyone will be looking to us indigenous people who have stayed with the ways, in fact, that’s exactly what’s happening now and I’m being called on more and more to teach about principle-based living and tribal circle.

    At the same time Mother Earth is in revolt and Her culling of the flock will be severe…..as said before, Tutu Pele will have the final say.

    Oh wow, I spelled something wrong….hang me!!!! Oh gawd, oh gawd, oh gawd, it’s a sin to spell wrong!!!! Ahhhh, I see the flames coming my way!

    So know what’s going to happen when the implosion hits and the Earth starts shaking and quaking and the tsunamis come and Pele spills? People are going to turn to Abel because he knows how to live off the land. Uh huh, mark my words.

    Meantime, you continue to justify living a lie. I imagine you’re hurting deep down but don’t know how to espress this because you won’t admit it to yourself. You sold out, pure and simple. You are grasping at straws in a vain attempt to argue but you have no ammo…nothing ‘real’ to shoot with.

    So, now we know, you SAY you are Hawaiian, but how much of the Hawaiian you really got in you? I mean blood-wise, not brain-washed wise because you’re no Hawaiian on the living front. Coco coco coco NUT…..maybe time you take a break and slap some Jimmy Buffet on , put on your aloha shirt, and be the charicature that you are.

    Oh, and for those who continue with their lameness about Abel’s house being all icky because he had lumber piled up for use , and roofing piled up for use, and the old fridge for the chicken feed to keep the mongoose out , …..do you live rurally? Do you farm? On a farm you re-use materials , now ain’t that green? But then maybe you’re the ‘old’ crowd of Kawa who could never handle Abel not standing for littering!

  99. Mummy Wummy says:

    Poor , poor Ka’u Ohana still doesn’t know the meaning of back peddle…sigh, hopeless American. And loosing my temper, naw, wouldn’t waste losing my temper on this issue….or many others. Too old for that. But you youngsters do like to play, don’t you, but all the while you think “I’m not playing, I’m serious and i’m going to prove somethings”. DRAMA QUEEN!

    I had quite the smile when I returned home from work and saw I was being accused of writing under different monikers. Hmm, wonder how that could have happened when I don’t have access to a computer while working – wait – I know – I’m MAGIC!!!!

    The world is about to come tumbling down , the economy is nearing implosion point and America will be one of the hardest hit countries. But that’s the karma for world greed and Canada will go down too….then everyone will be looking to us indigenous people who have stayed with the ways, in fact, that’s exactly what’s happening now and I’m being called on more and more to teach about principle-based living and tribal circle.

    At the same time Mother Earth is in revolt and Her culling of the flock will be severe…..as said before, Tutu Pele will have the final say.

    Oh wow, I spelled something wrong….hang me!!!! Oh gawd, oh gawd, oh gawd, it’s a sin to spell wrong!!!! Ahhhh, I see the flames coming my way!

    So know what’s going to happen when the implosion hits and the Earth starts shaking and quaking and the tsunamis come and Pele spills? People are going to turn to Abel because he knows how to live off the land. Uh huh, mark my words.

    Meantime, you continue to justify living a lie. I imagine you’re hurting deep down but don’t know how to espress this because you won’t admit it to yourself. You sold out, pure and simple. You are grasping at straws in a vain attempt to argue but you have no ammo…nothing ‘real’ to shoot with.

    So, now we know, you SAY you are Hawaiian, but how much of the Hawaiian you really got in you? I mean blood-wise, not brain-washed wise because you’re no Hawaiian on the living front. Coco coco coco NUT…..maybe time you take a break and slap some Jimmy Buffet on , put on your aloha shirt, and be the charicature that you are.

    Oh, and for those who continue with their lameness about Abel’s house being all icky because he had lumber piled up for use , and roofing piled up for use, and the old fridge for the chicken feed to keep the mongoose out , …..do you live rurally? Do you farm? On a farm you re-use materials , now ain’t that green? But then maybe you’re the ‘old’ crowd of Kawa who could never handle Abel not standing for littering!

  100. Ka'u Ohana THAT LIVES HERE says:

    NO LIP!! TO BIG DA LIP AS WHY!! LIPS LIPS LIPS KEEP FLAPPING UM! THAT’S ALL YOU PROVING!

  101. Louanne says:

    Wendy, you are making it worse for Abel.. You have a warp mind.
    Leave Pele alone , Kau people alone and earth alone.
    Your teaching are evil.

  102. Louanne says:

    Wendy, people like you confuses him. No wonder he so different.
    Think you took your twisted ways into his life.. Pittiful.
    And the iwi wants to rest peacefully without you calling it out!
    Leave the iwi alone too.

  103. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Ahhh mummy – you so wish that your opinions matter. I didn’t waste my time reading your recent comment. – because my time and opinion is much more valuable then yours will ever be….
    I think perhaps you need to find a new topic of pleasure – yes, it is obvious you enjoy the negative banter.
    Well, truth be told – probably no one reads your comments anymore because you are serious irrelevant to this topic and really boring…

    So – to you and your many disguises/names, we no longer wish to consider you a proper commenter on the subject of our Beloved Kawa. Especially since you don’t know much about our culture and language.

    Oh and by the way….

    In reference to you calling the people of Ka’u coconuts and back peddling :

    You truly are a professional back peddler. VERY GLAD you corrected yourself – the people of Ka’u are proud people….
    Some much needed advice for YOU, perhaps you should think before you post.
    Just saying…..

  104. Louanne says:

    Napoleons and apikis are from Kau
    and sorry we not coconuts .
    Stop being racist.
    Dont think its nice to call ..
    Hawaiian = coconuts
    Native Indian=apples
    African=oreos.
    Thats racist!!

  105. Mummy Wummy says:

    Live now, Liko Martin on Public Radio , with Uncle Abel expected to phone in
    http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?station_name=kkcr&site=PLR-kkcr&tm=3795

  106. Anonymous says:

    Ka’u Ohana: Pfffft! That’s what a child like you gets, is a New York raspberry.

    Check this comment of yours “So – to you and your many disguises/names, we no longer wish to consider you a proper commenter on the subject of our Beloved Kawa. Especially since you don’t know much about our culture and language.’

    “We” ? “we”??? Hahaha! You’ve self-multiplied, best cut back on the loco moco!

    So, you keep avoiding the question, how much Hawaiian you got in you? Maybe you’re kanaka, maybe kanaka maoli…..but I say you one big coconut no matter how much of anything you got so no need to keep disguising yourself , come on out of the closet cuz I think that’s where you live, and tell us your real name…..i posted my real name , why not you?

    After I posted my real name I went back to using Mummy Wummy….my granddaughter likes that :D .

    Oh ya, and if you’re going to tell us your % of heritage, and real name, you may as well post how old you are too because i’m guessing you’re pretty fresh-faced.

    “We” are bored by YOUR posts, little one.

  107. Mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Coconut Ohana,

    “We”? “We”? Hahahahaha! Such arrogance, hoo, you take the cake boy (or girl).

    Come out of the closet….What’s your real name because at least I had the guts to post mine before returning to by Facebook name (My granddaughter likes Mummy Wummy). And how old are you? And what’s your lineage and what %’s? And do you work?

    There….face up to the music on this , little one.

  108. Ka'u Ohana says:

    I see you have taken my comments to heart. This is uncommon of you to post such a short response.

    Well, Well – you have so much interest in me?

    Should I or shouldn’t I – well you are gettin off the topic – aren’t you?

    Unfortunately for you, you didn’t comprehend my previous comment.

    “Ahhh mummy – you so wish that your opinions matter” and ” my time and opinion is much more valuable then yours will ever be….”

    I don’t think you will ever recover from your back peddling, “Ka’u people are coconuts – brown on the outside and white on the inside”, comment.

    Oh – our ancestral na ‘iwi is stirring in Kawa…. Kawa is no long in bondage or tortured by a man whose claims are false. But rather n

    Keep back peddling – you might be able to convince yourself but you’re going to convince anyone else.

    I think I will evict you from this topic !!!

  109. Ka'u Ohana says:

    I see you have taken my comments to heart. This is uncommon of you to post such a short response.

    Well, Well – you have so much interest in me?

    Should I or shouldn’t I – well you are gettin off the topic – aren’t you?

    Unfortunately for you, you didn’t comprehend my previous comment.

    “Ahhh mummy – you so wish that your opinions matter” and ” my time and opinion is much more valuable then yours will ever be….”

    I don’t think you will ever recover from your back peddling, “Ka’u people are coconuts – brown on the outside and white on the inside”, comment.

    Oh – our ancestral na ‘iwi is stirring in Kawa…. Kawa is no long in bondage or tortured by a man whose claims are false. But rather now in God’s Arms…..

    Keep back peddling – you might be able to convince yourself but you’re not going to convince anyone else.

    I think I will evict you from this topic !!!

  110. Louanne says:

    Wendy jones She probably have more hawaiian than you mouth.
    Stop causing more problems .. Calling kau people coconuts

  111. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Mummy – you are showing your true colors or should I say disguises – Anonymous…. Gotcha

    “we” – you are paying attention to my post’s, yes “we” the truth….

    It’s okay – I am Glad you corrected your comment about the Ka’u people being coconuts…. Actually you back peddled….

    Oh what a web we weave when we deceive.

    Evicted…..

  112. mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’U Ohanna….I’VE enjoyed using you as a target because you’re such easy pickings. See, once again you show your ignorance with the back-peddle bit, but, considering there’s some people who post here with intelligence, they get it while you keep back peddling on your back peddle….hoo , you some messed up kid!

    What’s wrong with a short reply? I’m listening to Liko Martin (well above your head) and Uncle Abel on the radio.

    It’s not that I didn’t comprehend your prior comments, it’s that I chose to ignore them because they are so stupid.

    “The rights of the tenants and heirs”….this is what is happening at Kawa and all over the islands. This is how they have stolen your land and they will continue to steal your land……where you live, boy? In a house…rent or own? If you own be careful of quiet title lad, County may swoop your place right out from under you, then where are you going to turn?

    Kawa was a land grab. Understand that. This takes place all over the world with the indigenous in different ways…they , the western society pawns of the oligarchy , are clever , make no mistake about that. But there are those of us who can see the big picture and see behind their b.s.. I’m wondering why, if you are such a self-prolcaimed smarty-pants, why YOU can’t see this when so many can. Clearly you lack the kajones to come around to reality. What’s your opiate?

  113. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Evicted….

    Gotcha – you are unimportant and boring.

    It’s okay – I am Glad you corrected your comment about the Ka’u people being coconuts – brown on the outside and white on the inside…. It’s good when you can admit your faults… That’s a start.

    Actually you back peddled…

    Your still learning…

  114. Mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana…nice try, kid.

  115. Ka'u Ohana says:

    Mummy – I like that you are reading MY comments and actually allowing me to school you… I think you have potential to come over from the dark side.
    You will soon start to believe that Kawa was for a time in bondage and prisoned by a warden who had no palapala….. or right……

  116. Louanne says:

    Mummy, jones why did you post more racism acts . On the other article ,

    Hawaiians + Kau people are not Coconuts
    Native indians are not apples
    African american are not oreos
    Again u being racist!!

  117. Louanne says:

    WHY ARE YOU RACIST! Wendy jones

  118. KALAKOA says:

    TO APIKI and KA’U OHANA FROM HELL!

    Now Apiki and Sold out Ka’u Families are all exposing your very own transformation to demons…ran out of excuses and same old blah blah was getting shut down every time .

    Thank you mummy for all the Knowledge , Respect your wise mummy and daddy and you may have long days on this land, but if you Kick them off their home no matter what color or who “owns” it, don’t expect “forever”…wake up silly fake Ka’u Ohana, full on super stinking up this web site with straight trash talk from the underworld.

    How interesting how you’re all getting extremely mad and shifting to demons so quick and forwardly and speaking babel confusion tongue attack and diversion back to mix up mix up wash down facts and coated with American frosting to have you believe you’ll all be safe and be better now..nicely motivated the fooled and pulled this sly scandal and full on attempting to throw over The Hawaiian People not The State, Moku o Keawe!!!

    You totally have disturbed and hurt a lot of happy blessed people. Where is your reward in that call them names or haoles? Maybe even Judge there whole life ?

    Are you Satans evil Angels?

  119. Louanne says:

    The so call shut up person that commented about napoleons .
    Thats why i say look at how you speak !!! Disrespectful!!!!!!!The iwi that mummy jones planning to wake up and spank me with many are the napoleons family.. The real family of Timoteo keawe…
    Na ao ka po’e you for all people who dont think that the Apiki and Napoleon are from kau.
    They have been there more than 30 yrs.. Go to pahala church . Apiki baptized many family children and so on
    Its in the books. Way back before you was born i bet…
    All those who talk about Apiki and Napoleons . You really dont know!!

  120. Here2Stay says:

    Boy it seems everyone is getting angry in here…. But i know as well as all of you that in order for one to be able to claim land it must be by birth right. And all that the people are asking for is GENEALOGY. quite simple! but it seems that none have seen the GENEALOGY in question. So what many of you are saying is that you want the true descendants to turn a blind eye and allow Abel to reside at Kawa. Seems to me you are asking that Abel be allowed to do what you are angry at the government for doing? is it not the same thing? Is he not trying to acquire land that is not his, therefore breaking the same International laws that you accuse the descendants of these families for doing? Until it can be undoubtedly proven that he is in fact a direct descendant of these lines all that you are saying is just opinions and not facts.

  121. Louanne says:

    Kalakoa, you sound like mummy , wishy washy!!
    Wait.. No matter what color , or who owns it dont expect forever! Wow isnt that what happened.
    Very promising words!! And For the demon part ,,,What goes around , will come around and knock you down!!
    Angels of course!!

  122. Mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana: Nice try, kid.

    Louanne – a Hawaiian is a coconut if he/she believes in and follows the western colonial ways.

    An Indian is an apple if he/she believes in and follows the western colonial ways.

    An African American is an oreo if he/she believes in and follows the western colonial ways.

    It’s not rasicm, it’s political commentary. We either join hands as indigenous peoples or we don’t , and by that simple act of not doing we alter the very essence of who we are and succumb to divide and conquer. Congratulations on actively falling for D&C…you have now contributed to the continued genocide of indigenous peoples and the kanaka maoli of Hawaii. How does it feel to be a traitor and in treason the Kingdom of Hawaii?

    KALAKOA: LOVE your “American Frosting” :D

    Here2Stay: Abel is the direct descendant of TIMOTEO KEAWE, the land owner on record on the Royal Patent which was conveyed in “ano alodio/alodio” perpetuity for the descendants/heirs. The other families who claim to be in the line were asked only to show death certificates and by producing documentation like this the State and County recognized their heirship but then took Kawa away from them. So, if people are defending the county they are rather bug-eyed as the county was saying, “we see you as the heirs, but now we take what is yours and do not give you money for this, we just take”. Makes no sense no matter who the rightful heirs are……..

    So if the other so called heirs of Kawa were living at Kawa the county would be saying, ‘you are rightful heirs but get off this land in two hours’…..it’s been a massive manipulation but people don’t want to accept that they have been hoodwinked and sucker punched…..maybe tomorrow they’ll wake up and say, “Wait a minute!” and hop on the Abel bandwagon.

    Comprende?

    As for angry people posting, yes, there does seem to be a lot of anger….too bad because here I sit feeling rather imp-like for having fun with so many and watching as they scramble to come up with ANYTHING that’s legitimate…..hoo boy, the excuses and the ignorance are giving me all sorts of good chuckles.

  123. mummy Wummy says:

    Oh ya, I keep forgetting to write that I made a post above that shows as Anonymous but is me (obviously) …however I hit the ‘submit’ button before filling out the name and email….heh heh, an elder’s mistake.

  124. Louanne says:

    Mummy sounds and looks Racist
    Ohh i see correcting yourself .
    Too late

  125. Here2Stay says:

    Alodio… yes Mummy we all know Timoteo Keawe is on the LCA, it has been said over and over and over…………… You say he is a direct descendant in fact Abel has been saying that for several years now but for some odd reason he is not recognized on the county level, state level or federal level as a descendant? is there a discrepancy in his genealogy or is there a discrepancy in everyone elses?

    You said:
    “The other families who claim to be in the line were asked only to show death certificates and by producing documentation like this the State and County recognized their heirship ”

    Do you really think people will believe that the county or any other party for that matter would settle with just showing a few death certificates? c’mon we both know you are pulling that out of (you know where).

    the decision made may not make sense to you now but i know one day you’ll break out of that delusional shell you call home and see the beauty of this world we call reality. these decisions of those involved rest with them and their Kupuna and last i checked you were neither :0 so for now ill let that comment sit and dry in the sun, cause its starting to stink up this blog!
    Oh and one more thing.. Id really hate to break it to you but… there are no IF’s, so you can save that IF story for another blog ;) maybe one that will actually listen to story time!

  126. Here2Stay says:

    Kalakoa,
    By your choice of words and childish demeanor it is clear to everyone here that you are a CHILD so let uncle tell you a thing or two. there are things in life you shouldnt meddle with cause it just might come back to bite yah!! you shouldnt play with god or throw around the words of god cause mocking Him is not the best thing to do.

    Quoting:
    “American frosting to have you believe you’ll all be safe and better now”

    Hmmm… anyone else seeing these words? well if this is a threat than you could just come out and say it cause whether YOU like it or not I aint going anywhere. So next we meet maybe you can show uncle some respect or i might have to put you in the corner.

    “where is your reward in that call them names or haoles? maybe even judge there whole life?”

    But yet earlier in this same blog you are calling APIKI and Ka’u Ohana names judging them and calling them Satan.. Next time you want to come at someone try not to sound so contradicting, more people will actually listen and it might make you seem just a little more literate.

    OH before i forget Mummy, “ANYTHING thats legitimate” seriously?
    From reading through my past post nothing that i have said was false. I KNOW i have the paperwork to show every last word of what i have said. where is any of the paperwork for what you have so boldly stood for? lemme guess…. there isnt any. typical!
    Next time you log in you might wanna bring a paper and pen so you can start taking notes on the real facts here.

  127. Louanne says:

    Listening to all this name calling such as doodoo, devil, satans,
    Calling out Pele, Iwi spirits, kau people coconuts, african american people oreos,etc..
    Words like shut up , flouride brainwashed … Tribe this and that ..sounds like a cult…
    Gosh so much to mention….

    I wouldnt want anyone down kawa that affilidates with these type of people!!
    This would be a unsafe !!! ;(….

  128. Mummy Wummy says:

    Louanne: nice try, kid. NEXT!

  129. Ka'u Ohana says:

    ‘Auwe – you still don’t understand.
    Mummy and all your obvious disguises; you are truly lost and uneducated on the Kawa topic. Let me break it down for you.
    Abel has no proper genealogy that is recognized or valid. He was illegally in Kawa – that is why he was evicted. He says he is “what he’s not” – he obviously has fooled you and others. What does that say about you? Do your research and you will see the truth…..

    “He has never belonged to Ka’u or Kawa”

    Yes, many know the truth – and are happy that Abel was evicted…

    I am Glad you corrected your comment about the Ka’u people being coconuts – brown on the outside and white on the inside… KA’U PEOPLE ARE PROUD…..
    I have hope for you, because it is good when you can admit your faults… That’s a start.

    No more back peddling……

    Just saying…..

  130. Louanne says:

    Abviously, you folks did all the hard work.
    You should take some of the credit!!
    Im just saying what i see.

  131. mummy Wummy says:

    Ka’u Ohana: You have the hiccups…you keep blathering about me back peddling but you really don’t know what back paddling is because otherwise you would see that i haven’t done anything of the sort. But the truth is that you KNOW, deep down, that you are wrong, don’t you? And you KNOW that you have been erroneous and you KNOW you have a colonized mind….it’s just that you don’t have the nuts to fess up and come out of denial…wow, glad I’m not living your life! There, I gave you a bit more attention than the last few times because it’s what you’re seeking, my attention.

    Why, you even complained that I didn’t give you enough attention on one of your posts. Guess you are wanting a mummy right now, so you come to me in your strange way. Well that’s ok, for you see my son, I love you despite your having gone sour and Americanized. Maybe you have Stockholm syndrome? That’s ok, I’ll still pat your back and let you burp and hope your hiccups go away because they’re not so fun to have, are they?

    Let’s look at the following from the Big Island Chronicle:http://www.bigislandchronicle.com/2012/10/25/kau-news-abel-simeona-lui-has-been-evicted-from-kawa-bay/

    “June 2012 The County brought together families identified as having lineal connections to Kawa to begin discussion on the best way to care for the area.

    July 2012 Families met again with the County to discuss an inventory of cultural and burial sites at Kawa. The County followed up with families to identify known burials, many of which had documentation in the form of maps and death certificates noting Kawa as the burial place.

    August 2012 The State Historic Preservation Division reports on two archaeological inventory surveys of Kawa done in 1961 and 1976. The past surveys show over 60 burial sites and 159 cultural features. SHPD advised the County of its liability should these sites and features be disturbed.

    September 2012 A two-day site visit was conducted with lineal descendants, an archaeologist, County personnel, and staff from the State Historic Preservation Division. Over 60 burial sites with documentation from lineal descendants, as well as a large burial complex and hundreds of archaeological sites were located and identified. The GPS coordinates of the features were logged for future archaeological survey.”

    So, you see, the County recognizes maps and death certificates to verify people’s ancestryto Kawa but does not recognize Abel’s documents. Hmm, something’s rotten in the State of Hawaii.

    But hey, if you want to dspute that, take it up with the Big Island Chronicle because maybe you see a reporter made a mistake??? NO, how can that be that everything is laid out in black and white but you can’t see it for the red of anger in your denial bones. I mean OMG, REALLY, yes, the people have been manipulated and Wally Lau, such a seemingly nice man, very nice and courteous too, has been just the type of guy to hurl out these lies but ya know what? He seriously believes himself. He was full stock in the colonizer’s ways because , well, he’s just so damned nice and us sovereign bums, well, we’re just scary and evil and rotten to the core. We’re monsters!

    Wally’s a stand-up guy. He’s probably the type that, if he makes a promise he’ll hold to it. I see him as a loyal man, logical and diplomatic with genuine concern for the aina and the iwi kapuna. But he’s meant to be that way, isn’t he? I mean, how many others could pull off such a righteous sham unless they had total belief and trust in the United States of America and that the State and County are correct? He couldn’t do his job if he saw through open eyes the brainwashing and the genocide. It would be too much for his psyche to handle.

    In Wally World, there is no political wrangling being done. There are no dirty deeds or slimy developers. Everything’s ‘just nice’.

    Are you in Wally World too? Or you more of a Hanoi Kenoi kind of guy?

    Oh ya, the Akaka Bill…did you support it or not?

    There. Mummy’s tired.I gave you my attention. It’s early morning here but I haven’t slept a wink because I have some really exciting things going on today….can’t wait!!!!

    Love from: Mummy Wummy and Wendy Jones (sorry to dissapoint some but I haven’t used any aliases other than Mummy Wummy. Haha, too bad.

  132. Louanne says:

    Now you are in denial of what you said!!
    Mummy, you have been cursed in your own words!!
    You have failed ! You called out peles wrath, called kau people coconut
    Dark on the outside and white in the inside. Talk about the Iwi spirits ( you have no respect)
    You have used other names , you admit it anonymous
    You have no knowledge or blood of a hawaiian. you do well in what you are.
    Racist !! So keep up the curseful thought and words

    By the way its your day!!!
    Happy holloween!!

  133. descendant of Timoteo Keawe says:

    we are not associated with nor related to Abel in any way..as a true descendant of Timoteo Keawe i can honestly say that Abel is most definately not of any bloodline relation to our ohana through our geneology research and documentation..if he did own what he claims then he should be able 2 show documents that state his claim but he simply cannot..trying to claim land that does not belong to him is just wrong and because of his selfish actions it has made hawaiians look and sound bad..how can you claim something that was never yours to claim in the first place? we are looking forward to finally moving forward without him in the way!!

  134. Here2Stay says:

    I notice you continuously bring up the Akaka Bill and if any of these people are supporters? might i ask why? i it just a ploy cooking up in that malicious brain of yours. just as a kick ill entertain you, No i am not a supporter of the Akaka Bill are you?

  135. mummy Wummy says:

    Louanne: Poor dear, you really do try, don’t you? I have to give you A for effort, but D for facts and reality.

    Posted as:
    Mummy Wummy
    Wendy Jones
    Anonymous (got trigger happy and hit the ‘submit’ before filling in the blanks, my bad).

    But maybe YOU”RE posting as several people and projecting that onto me?

    And yes I said many in Ka’u are coconuts. And yes I said the wrath of Pele may have the final say….so sue me!

  136. Mummy Wummy says:

    LOUANNE: how about you, did you stand for the Akaka Bill? Fess up now.

  137. Louanne says:

    I dont need to sue you !! For what ? Your mouth has talk the talk.( pilau)
    I turn my back at you . Because your curseful words have failed you!!
    I dont think anyone in hawaii would want you to use Pele as your curse.
    Or kau people would want a horrible mouthy racist woman to call them coconuts!!
    Again i sure dont think the hawaiian people would want ” a person like you and any of your clan to
    Be in kawa preaching or calling out spirits of the “iwi” … WOW un cool..
    letting the Iwi rest. Dont disturb !!!
    So i give you an F for Failed!!
    :))))

  138. Here2Stay says:

    Mummy,
    If you read right above July 2012 you will notice where it says that the families were brought together in June 2012,

    “July 2012 Families met again with the County to discuss an inventory of cultural and burial sites at Kawa. The County followed up with families to identify known burials, many of which had documentation in the form of maps and death certificates noting Kawa as the burial place.”

    let me take this apart for you seeing as comprehension isnt your strongest field.

    “Families met again with the County to discuss an inventory of cultural and burial sites ”
    ~~this says there was a discussion between the county and the previously identified lineal descendants.

    “The County followed up with families to identify known burials, many of which had documentation”
    ~~this means that the death certificates and maps were used to identify burials nothing in this passage says those documents were used to identify lineal descent. nice try tho!

  139. Onyou says:

    Lol! Oh Seriously Mummy Dummy, the Akaka Bill is old news, dead on creation! What a feeble attempt!!

  140. Louanne says:

    Mummy, are you trying to change the subject?Ohh myyy!
    Lets keep it on one subject “Kawa”

  141. Onyou says:

    Aloha Napolean and descendant of Timoteo Keawe! We are here in support of your right to care for your iwi kupuna and the one hanau!!

  142. Here2Stay says:

    it seems that from 9:38am i posted a blog here which is still awaiting moderation along with post from 10;37am and again at 10:53am. but it seems rather strange that other post are coming after and being allowed onto the feed, i really dont want to start thinking that my first amendment rights are being violated here.

    ill post my last feed to the blog again:

    Mummy,
    If you read right above July 2012 you will notice where it says that the families were brought together in June 2012,

    “July 2012 Families met again with the County to discuss an inventory of cultural and burial sites at Kawa. The County followed up with families to identify known burials, many of which had documentation in the form of maps and death certificates noting Kawa as the burial place.”

    let me take this apart for you seeing as comprehension isnt your strongest field.

    “Families met again with the County to discuss an inventory of cultural and burial sites ”
    ~~this says there was a discussion between the county and the previously identified lineal descendants.

    “The County followed up with families to identify known burials, many of which had documentation”
    ~~this means that the death certificates and maps were used to identify burials nothing in this passage says those documents were used to identify lineal descent. nice try tho!

  143. Mummy Wummy says:

    So here we have it: The county manipulated the descendants of Kawa by obtaining death certificates and other paperwork in the guise of doing an archeological inventory. If the county was accepting such paperwork , especially deeds and titles, those deeds and titles would offer proof of ‘ownership’ in the ahupua`a. So the county is saying “we recognize your paperwork for your ancestors but we don’t recognize that that land may be rightfully yours”.

    This is how the system operates to take more land from indigenous people around the world (or by guns like in Brazil). Kawa is a microcosm of the continued genocide that is happening. http://web.sbu.edu/psychology/lavin/Hawaiian%20Genocide.ch_files/frame.htm

    The county’s method for doing this is known as a charrete, which is a manipulation by the group/people steering it. Please note ‘steering’ for this is where the manipulation comes in. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charrette

    If one were to go over all the paperwork presented it may be found that a few families share in the ‘ownership’ of Kawa with Abel. Now why would those families let the County cheat them out of payment and allow Edmund Olson Trust to be the sole beneficiary of the buy-out? I think it’s time for the families to meet on their own and figure this out.

    “If patriotism were defined, not as bind obedience to government, nor as submissive worship to flags and anthems, but rather as love of one’s country , one’s fellow citizens all over the world, as loyalty to the principles o justice and democracy, then patriotism would require us to disobey our government when it violated those principles.

    Historically, the most terrible things – war, genocide and slavery – have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience.”
    Howard Zinn

    ….and that obedience continues as ethnocide and genocide. This is no small matter and t’s time for people to look at the big picture.

  144. Localboy says:

    So reading all of this makes me sick, I’m glad Abel is out he thought he owned the land and yes like someone said only smokes weed. I guess that’s his toll fee to getting in there, oh by the way he has lots of christmas trees oh wait no marrijuana treea growing on the property hidden in various locations. I have been following this for a very long time and i’m glad that Kenoi is finally stepping up to the plate. This is a disgrace to our ancestors who lived on this land, and Wummy you really truly dont know what you are talking about and yes you are a “Manapua” white on the outside and red with anger on the inside. Not recist give me a break hope you like your new name Manapua. Oh and yes I am Hawaiian and yes I am decendant of Royalty from Maui and yes I can trace my geneology unlike you Abel you can’t show any leanage to the Aina, Auwe.

  145. Mummy Wummy says:

    Those of us who possess the gift of vision (and everyone has gifts) are often maligned by those who don’t. They say it’s ‘wishing’ ill or ‘cursing’ when it’s anything but. We ‘see’ and it’s as simple as that.

    Marijaunna is a medicine plant. People have licenses for it. Alcohol is what really needs to be addressed in society, along with the biggies like crack and meth.

    Some might be surprised at my lineage but I’m not going to brag about it here. That’s reaching pretty low, like a desperation. I do stand tall with being First Nations though.

    It’s really saddening to see those who are so immersed and entrenched on the petty that they can’t see the big picture and admit they’ve been suckered. Very sad indeed. And to project their anger onto others is another form of denial. Pity.

    One thing that’s good about all the varying view points is it shows passion from all. It’s that passion that can take the human family from degrees of helplessness to action and from that comes counter-action. To just stay on one’s butt and not do anything allows for a complacency that opens the door for wrong-doing. In the end, Kawa will have it’s rightful heirs back, but the face will have changed and it’s a matter of what will be done from there.

  146. NAPOLEON says:

    TO ALL OF YOU WHO ARE TALKING SMACK ABOUT NAPOLEONS…..DID I HIT A NERVE LOL. :P

  147. C.S.I says:

    Abel not related to the napoleons. Talking about napoleons leaving their opala…..hold up. Other people go to the ” shack” and use it too,so dont be quick to blame. Quick to blame napoleons, we all are not perfect.

  148. kanaka maoli LUA says:

    ahh it was so fullfiling to be there and do what was right. awesome it was!!!! AND to see all the Opala hidden in the bushes later, auwe

  149. Hana says:

    Show your paperwork that you are related to Timoteo Keawe, Nap.

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