HILO – The University of Hawaii Board of Regents heard hours of testimony during Thursday’s special meeting on the campus of UH-Hilo. The speakers voiced overwhelming opposition to the Thirty Meter Telescope, currently in its construction phase on the summit of Mauna Kea.
The regents already gave their approval to the $1.4 billion, multi-national TMT project. However, recent events on the sacred mountain – like roadblocks and mass arrests – have reinvigorated the opposition to the massive observatory.
Many gave passionate and emotional speeches to the regents during the public comment portion of the meeting. Island residents like Jazzmin Cabanilla – a mother, surfer, educator, and kanaka maoli – drew parallels between the current movement to defend the mountain and actions of kupuna who took stands on other important issues in prior decades.
No decisions were made by the UH Board of Regents concerning Mauna Kea or TMT. Officials say another meeting will be held in order to hear all the testimony, which was cut short on Thursday.
I laughed when the regents said they would be back in May. They might of just as well have said, “see you next year”. The TMT will be built.
The epa should check those machines for leaking oil before the come back in may.
Impeccable history dive? Get real!
In other words, the speaker argues “our [superstitious] religious and cultural beliefs trump any and all legal processes, because we don’t agree with the legal framework [aka this is really the “occupied kingdom of hawaii” not the United States of America].”
So you believe that none of those opposing the TMT operate any vehicles or machinery or engage in any other activities that might pollute the environment? How do they get around, ride their unicorns?
Interesting to see the “F*ck the captain Cook types” t-shirt. I suppose it was Cook’s fault that this guy’s ancestors’ superstitious religious beliefs led them to believe Cook was their “god” Lono.
aloha PunaPerson…perhaps you are unaware that our religious and cultural beliefs are also conservative means to preserve our little island and its precious water source for future generations.
Aloha PunaPerson…what you are referring to is a different location and different impact on the environment verses large construction machinery and an 18 story building. Therefore, unicorns are not necessary to get around Mauna Kea or Hawaii.
Diverdave, i believe you are correct.
So your religious beliefs about the TMT on Mauna Kea are really about water and not some “spiritual” “mana” being disrespected?
Yeah I do but not at the highest point of this island. Unicorns are FICTION cuz. Oil dripping on the mountain is not. Epa should be involved in this being they fine local contractors for 1 drop of oil in a place hidden from view of any man. Or 1.4b make people go dumb deaf and blind. Infact I will find out if they are taking action because if not I’ll post the link here n everyone can report it if they think I’m right.
So all the people opposing the TMT used no machinery or any polluting devices ever in their entire lives for constructing homes, clearing land, building roads that they [don’t?] use, etc? I’m guessing that the collective life-long use of polluting devices by the sum total of all the opponents of TMT dwarfs the pollution that will be the result of the TMT construction and operation. How many stories could a building be that wouldn’t have a negative impact?
Aloha PunaPerson…perhaps you should educate yourself by speaking to native peoples about captain Cook and how he and his crew conducted theirselves with the natives. Unfortunately, history books were written with a certain point of view that does not take into account cultural beliefs of people they come into contact with.
What’s fictional is your belief that there is some magical property of pollution at a particular location (“the highest point on the island”) that makes it more dangerous or significant than all the other pollution at every other (necessarily lower) point on the island, which is part and parcel of the daily activities of virtually all the TMT opponents.
Its about both. They are interconnected
Would you change your behavior to conform to someone’s religious beliefs based upon their ancient religion (Jainism) of revealed truth that all nonhuman animals are sacred and may not be used by humans in any way for any purpose? That is, once you are made aware of this, and the demands of those religious people that their religion is being disrespected and others must conform to those beliefs for both “spiritual” and environmental reasons, you will become respectful and become a vegan who neither eats nor owns nor uses any nonhuman animal or product in any way for any purpose (“pets”, entertainment, labor, etc.)? And yes, fish are animals. If not, why should anyone do what you say your religion demands of them?
What you think rivers flow up hill? County water comes from the ocean?
What, you think there is no water beneath the surface being polluted by you and your fellow TMT opponents except at “the highest point on the island”? Why don’t you answer the question asked?
Aloha PunaPerson…to your first question is a resounding no. to your guess, yes. location, location, location. Please educate yourself about the environment on Mauna Kea and perhaps also read the environmental impact statement for this building, this will answer your last question.
So you’re claiming that the locals DIDN’T believe that Cook was, or could have been, Lono (a “god”)? My point is exactly that Cook and his crew were able to initially conduct themselves as they did PRECISELY BECAUSE of the superstitious erroneous beliefs of your ancestors.
Also, depending on exactly which version of “migration” and “settlement” of the islands one subscribes to, it’s quite possible that your ancestors, in the second wave, treated the native people of the island far worse than Cook did. It rather makes a joke of your complaints of “illegal occupation”… at least some of you survived and are still alive generations later.
Correct Puna Person, This is why there is a “separation of church and state” clause in our Constitution. No one’s religion can take precedent over anyone else’s religious beliefs. In addition the majority of Polynesian-Hawaiians are Christians and not mythological deity worshipers. These folks are not speaking for the majority of “their” people.
Show me where in the environmental impact report they compare the pollution, in any and all locations, of the sum life-long pollution activities of all you TMT opponents, to the polltuion that will result from the TMT construction and operation. That was my question that you didn’t answer. There is no magical enhanced pollution location that overrides all the pollution done in other locations by all you opponents of TMT, and you can’t show me any environmental impact statement that demonstrates that.
I asked YOU, how many stories would be acceptable to the building there? I think we know the answer. The question is why do you even bring up the point of it being 18 stories, when that point is irrelevant to your argument?
PunaPerson, you never get a straight answer out of these folks because they just go around and around in circles. Now it’s “dripping oil from the machines”. You counter one nonsense statement and they make up another. They just make it up as the go along, one nonsense statement after the next. Before you know it they will claim that the telescope will alter the climate!
So unicorns are real and history is fiction. The brown water in hilo bay must be fake too like the Staff you get for swimming in the rivers all fake yeah. Tell us why tiger sharks don’t bite kanaka and why you think it’s been raining ever since the machines got dropped off. I’m interested to know meanwhile I’m gonna find out about epa.
dave, I’ve seen no polling of the belief systems of of the TMT opponents, but from the recorded public speaking I’ve viewed, it seems that a great many of them apparently subscribe to an ancient belief system that is decidedly not christian. Not that it matters. They belief that everyone, regardless of their own personal beliefs, ought to be held to the ancient Hawaiian superstitions regarding what may or may not be done in certain locations by certain people.
I’ll be curious to see if Charmaine and tmt petition announce their conversion/adherence to strict veganism now that they are aware of the Jain spiritual religious view. I mean, isn’t that what they expect of us when they ask us to give priority to their religious beliefs?
You never answer the question posed for you. Interesting.
No, unicorns are not real. Some history might be fiction. Are you claiming that all the pollution, including Hilo bay, is from “the highest point on the island”? I’d venture a guess that virtually all of that pollution is from locations OTHER THAN “the highest point on the island”, including, specifically, the pollution caused by all you TMT opponents as you go about your daily business. But I’m willing to look at the evidence you have that concludes otherwise.
Circles is funny
No its not all from mauna kea but I’m sure it will add to it.
Dive the destruction of the mountain was the main focus from the begining. You remember. If not I can post the link of the first video of the protest. And dripping oil is the first thing and construction haven’t even started.
So if, for a rough estimate/guess, 99.9% of the pollution in Hilo bay is from all other locations, and .1% of the pollution is from Mauna Kea (it’s probably lower than that), you direct your protests to the .1%? How do you justify that priority?
Aloha PunaPerson, I make no such claims. I am not sure what your point is. Hawaiians are happy with the outcome of Cook being laid to rest in Kealakekua, we just don’t like his type. Also, I don’t think you have had time to speak to kupuna about Cook yet.
Again, “EXPERTS” with degrees that conducted a thorough investigation on the location of the construction of TMT. Their work has already concluded an assessment that it will “NOT” impact Mauna Kea in the way in which these protesters/protectors claim. Where do they get their information and assumptions??? I just don’t get it. They will keep on mentioning the overthrow (WHICH IM AM AWARE OF FULLY), their appeal to religion (which is a fallacy by the way), etc. So why exactly are they arguing for? They have already done an assessment to show it will NOT have an environmental/cultural impact on Mauna Kea. Don’t get me wrong I am for perservation of a culture, but I think they need to face reality and modern times. In fact, David Kalakaua was interested in telescopes and hoped that one day Hawaii will soon have one. It will be a TELESCOPE up there and not Monsanto, Wal Mart, a mall, or whatever else that is unnecessary to build. There was a quarry that was there in ancient times. Also, a lot of people that I see protesting on Oahu are the same ones that DO NOT attend beach clean ups, pick up their rubbish, etc. I went diving not so long ago at Mauka Valley and saw pillows – yes pillows – in the ocean with clothes, plastic bags, etc. What’s up with that people? These are some of the same people on the Westside of Oahu protesting this TMT, but can’t even take care of the aina? Isn’t Makua sacred as well??? Mahalo.
Charmaine: I suggest you stick to your defense of the opposition to the TMT to your cultural and religious beliefs. Those are easier to understand and to respect.
With regards to the water pollution issue, that is not defensible. One of the reasons why the top of Mauna Kea is such a desirable location for the telescopes is because of the extreme dryness. There is very little cloud cover and therefore very little rain. Most of the replenishment of the Mauna Kea aquifer takes place below the tree line (below the 8,000 ft elevation). Now, if you are concerned with water pollution, and I think you and all of us who live on this island should be, then the focus should be on the 50,000 cesspool systems on the island which are injecting on a daily basis tons of waste into the aquifer, streams and oceans.
Aloha,
Um the environmental protection agencies number 1 priority only needs a drop of oil. I’m not protesting nothing. I just think it would be fair everyone got inspected not just local contractors that they hunt down and fine for the same thing.
Okay, so you won’t answer any questions directly with clear answers. I have to wonder why. I’m asking YOU. Please tell us what is “his type”? Did, or did not, your ancestors believe to one degree or another at one time or another that Cook was one of their “gods”? Why won’t you answer the question? It’d only take a few words, or even just one.
Why no comment on the fact that there is some evidence that the “second wave” of migration to these islands resulted in genocide of the previous native inhabitants by those who would be your ancestors? Why no comment on how that possible fact would relate to your group’s assertions that some group is “illegally occupying” land previously inhabited by another group? You do see the hypocrisy in that, correct? Or is it possible that it’s YOU who have re-written history to whitewash the Hawaiian culture’s genocide and thousand years of human rights abuses in the name of their religion and culture (“kapu”, etc.)?
Aloha PunaPerson. Yes, I would respect Jainism beliefs. And if, according to your senario, I did not like living that way, I’d leave, mostly because I was not born there and could not adjust to that lifestyle. Perahps you feel now that you are aware of Hawaiian cultural beliefs and religion you are required to follow it? The fact is Hawaiian culture was developed and is HERE in the location of the Hawaiian Islands. Its not found anywhere else, thats the uniqueness of each culture…it is found where it was developed. Part of the culture is conservatism of natural resources. Yes, give priority to religious beliefs for the cause of conservatism. isn’t that what religious freedom is about in the United States? Various religious beliefs are practiced and carried out in the United States daily, why can’t native Hawaiians practice theirs in Hawaii?
“I’m not protesting nothing.” I see. So your name referring to a “tmt petition” is to a petition that is neutral on the building of the TMT? Seems like an odd thing to have a petition for. And that as long as the same standards for pollution are applied to the equipment used in building the TMT as are applied to other contractors elsewhere on the island are in effect, then you are totally in support of the TMT project, or at least “neutral” or at least not opposed? Please forgive me for misunderstanding, I thought you opposed the TMT.
Aloha PunaPerson. I did forget to answer your question. As many stories as the other telescopes already built. The point of it being 18 stories is that several of them will be below the surface where our water supply is. http://westhawaiitoday.com/news/local-news/mauna-kea-aquifers-shallower-expected
Comparing life-long pollution with the construction of TMT? Is beside the point of protecting our water source…that is of greater value (life) than looking far away into the sky. No comparison.
I see, you’re claiming that people only need to adhere to and allow the supremacy of religious beliefs in the location where those beliefs originated? That doesn’t answer the question regarding the second wave of island “settlement”, wherein the first settlers were decimnated by your ancestors. Or are you saying that because the relgious beliefs of both groups had many similarities, that the fact of genocide is irrelevant?
I wonder what your ancestors said to the original inhabitants of these islands when the those original inhabitants told the newcomers “This are our islands, and if you don’t want to subscribe to our religious and cultural beliefs, then you have to leave and go somewhere else”?
Jainism claims you have a moral and ethical sacred obligation and duty to refrain from using any nonhuman animals in any way independent of your geographical location. You want to claim that religious and cultural beliefs and values are only binding when in the location where they developed. Is that your practice when you travel? If you happen to go to Arizona, which of the many native American religous values do you subscribe to, and how did you determine which one was “first”?
If you want to conserve natural resources, you would be a strict vegan. Perhaps I’ll give you some of your own advice, you should “educate yourself” about that issue.
It’s laughable that you would appeal to “religious freedom” in the United States. First of all, many of the TMT opponents clearly state that this isn’t the United States, but the “kingdom of Hawaii”, and as anyone knows, there was no “religious freedom” in ancient Hawaii, nor much freedom or liberty of any kind other than to follow the strict rules/laws of the ali’i and their “religious” henchmen. How can you appeal to U.S. law and at the same time claim this isn’t the U.S. and that U.S. law is invalid here? Please explain. You’re not claiming that the “illegal occupier” has some legal authority are you? Secondly, no one said that people can’t practice whatever religious beliefs they choose, barring that such practices harm unwilling individuals (e.g. see hawaiian practice of human sacrifice). What may not happen, at least if this is the United States, is that your religious beliefs may not be imposed upon other people, just because you say so, nor can the government use any religious beliefs as the basis for formulating and government policy. Either everyone has freedom of, and from, religion, or no one does.
Aloha PunaPerson, Belief in protecting that 1% of un-polluted or less polluted particular location for the preservation of its water source is not fictional. Its needed. The lower points of the island is for living life out. Yes! Living causes pollution. We can learn or relearn how to mitigate that pollution too the way pre-Capt. Cook Hawaiian population did. Our island alone cared and supported more than a million people at that time with cultural practices. Our island was found the way our ancestors took care of it. I only wish I could say the same for my generation to be able to leave the aina in a better condition than when I was born.
Even the article you reference refers to the Saddle region, not anywhere near the locations where the TMT will be located, which is thousands of feet higher in elevation, and likely much further from ground water. The article states that the first detection of water was at 500 feet below the surface, and that the actual water table was at 1,800 feet below the surface. Are you saying that the TMT will be built at least 500 feet below the surface (and it’s likely that even traces of ground water at the summit would be far far deeper than the distance found in the Saddle location)?
Let’s say, despite the astronomically high probability that it’s not so, that the trace groundwater at the summit is 500 feet below the surface. How deep is the TMT being built into the ground? Even if it were 50 feet, that would only be 10% closer than the surface, which very minimally increases the likelihood of pollution. If the water table is 1,800 feet deep (likely much more) then that 50 feet is 2.7% fo the distance to the water, which again, is very minimal enhancement of the pollution probability.
Why not just admit that the whole environmental assessment and concern is just a ruse and distraction from your real agenda, which is to prevent anyone you do not approve of from doing anything you do not approve of on your “sacred” mountain? That would at least be honest.
Aloha PunaPerson. You have many questions. Yes Hawaiians believed Cook was one of their gods, no contest to that. And then they realised they were wrong and Cook was laid to rest. “His type” to me alone (not sure what the shirt wearer thinks) is the kind of person that takes advantage of others, raping foreign women and bringing death in the way of their dirty sailing vessels of disease. Previous native inhabitants? Who were they? Where did they come from? Where are they? How can we make amends? I am unaware of this information. Times have changed PunaPerson. Violent conquering was the way of the world and many nations during the time you refer. The reason for the complaint of ‘illegal occupation’ is that the US and the United Nation recognize a process to make states a part of the US. The US didn’t follow their own process. THAT is hypocrisy. I did not re-write history, the US records its own mistakes well enough.
Aloha Nariz. Mahalo for your comment.
Aloha PunaPerson. Thank you for your comment. Regarding the so called previous inhabitants of these islands, I have posted another comment in answer to this.
I was not claiming religious freedom in the US, I am claiming religious freedom in Hawaii, which is not an appeal to US law. No, I am not claiming that the ‘illegal occupier’ has legal authority, I claim that they have MILITARY backing for their illegal authority and oppression of the Hawaiian culture for its political and military positions. Unfortunate for your argument the US DOES use religious beliefs as basis for policy, it’s legal system is based many Biblical laws.
PunaPerson, I enjoyed corresponding with you and your thoughts and ideas regarding the TMT issue and US/Hawaii history. However, I am done here for the day. Mahalo.
Aloha PunaPerson, it is evident to me to know not much about the TMT building and Mauna Kea. All this energy and concern is no ruse or distraction. However, perhaps now that you have said it in such a simple way. In all honesty, I DO agree with your last comment. What you say is exactly true: “to prevent anyone you do not approve of from doing anything you do not approve of on your “sacred” mountain” you = Hawaiian cultural practitioners. Mahalo nui!!
This is in response to Punaperson and all the other strictly “logic” based proponents of the TMT telescope. This issue encompasses more than just logic and facts. It encompasses human emotions and the need to acknowledge and respect those emotions.
Let me give you a hypothetical scenario to illustrate my point. Your Grandmother’s grave sits on a site where someone wants to build their house. There are other sites available but the one with Granny’s grave is clearly the best. The person building the house can apply logic and say there is no conclusive evidence that there is life after death nor do i believe in any form of religion so therefore there is no logical reason for them not to build my house on her grave site. Just some bones right?
From that limited point of view they would be absolutely right.
They could however respect the fact that Granny believed deeply in her religion and so did her family. They could respect that this family has been here for generations and they have a right to visit their Grandmother’ grave and practice their religious beliefs on that site. They could honor what came before they did whether they believed or not. It’s called respect.
Someone with respect could still build their house and still have respect for others.
If the TMT telescope is so far advanced it needs to be built the logic would say there are telescopes on Mauna Kea which are past their prime, Let’s compromise. If they want a new telescope tear down some old ones and restore the land as much as possible to it’s original state. What happens in 10 years when technology brings us to the point they will tell us we need another telescope? Will Mauna Kea eventually be covered with them?
Want to build one? Then tear one down!
The fact that there are people who reside here who are not the least bit concerned with the preservation of the Hawaiian culture is another sad topic which doesn’t add to this thread.
Great theory and example Mike. If you read info on the TMT site, you will see that they address this issue completely. They have not only chosen the site based on confirmation of no burial sites but also because TMT would not be visible from the most sacred points on Mauna Kea. Additionally, building on an existing telescope site would require extensive grading that would further anger protesters. For those of you not familiar with grading, it is scraping, digging and repositioning tons and tons of dirt to change the natural form of the land to accommodate structures.
If you study the Hawaiian meaning of Aina and all it’s inherent meanings you would realize the entire mountaintop is considered a temple
Yeah I’m not protesting. A person change his name to mine acting like he was me so I changed it to this. I not into playing games.
….someone just told me that the owner/operator of BIVN is a guy that got fired from NBC?…
Born and raised on KU’E
How can you not love this generation…
The kuleana continues…
Mahalokeakua4thisblessing
LLHK
Your analogy still fails. Find another one. How do you know that your house isn’t built over someone’s grandma’s grave? You don’t. Keep working though. Good luck with your protests.
BIVN great job looking forward 4more…
Can’t believe how this thing keeps erupting…
Does anyone know how many generations these islands go back???
We are all blessed to live in one of the most beautiful places
in this world…
So don’t f#ck it up…
Kapualoha
Good questions. I’m glad Charmaine answered one of your questions. Most protesters in this forum don’t want to address the fact that Hawaiians were “settlers” from other islands in the south Pacific. As you stated, they probably performed some of the same things that the Hawaiian kingdom performed on the original natives when they arrived on the islands. PunaPerson, good luck with logic on here. They have a very twisted view of history and a very naïve view of the future of reinstatement of a queen.
Awesome response. When I brought that up before, they just called me “haole” and a whole host of other derogatory names. At least Charmaine is civil.
Treaty of annexation… We know that is a lie… An a myth
Maybe you should change it to joint resolution…lmao
These haole corporations with their big Kala its only easy to buy your way in.
We already have an illegal govt in place. Ask OHA
Aole treaty… Aole TMT
kapualoha
And your grasp of the meaning of respect still fails. As does your desire to shove your western concept of legality down the throats of many who are tired of your never-ending desire to develop and kill the spirituality and natural beauty of the world.
They are all sovereignty fringe. So what if a bunch of Muslims show up and claim the mountain for themselves, because as you must know their God is supreme and Mauna Kea is the highest. So therefore it belongs to the Muslims. What would you say then Mr. Bigot?
Sure Mike. Your idea of “so many” is 51,000 people per your protest group leader Jonathan. Last time I checked, there are 185,000 people on the Big Island and more than 2.3 million in the State. Democracy rules!
PunaPerson. tmt petition is actually Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey. She will goat you but call you “donkey”, rather than engage in productive debate. Don’t let her irrational responses deter your good posts.
PunaPerson. Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey also pulled the same crap with me when injected logic into the conversation. You are wasting your time with her. At least she isn’t calling you donkey or haole like she did with me. Don’t waste your time on her.
Spot on DiverDave. That’s what I’ve been telling him. The water shed comes from elevations 8k feet and below and there is little to no runoff from the pinnacle.
Can a big telescope be Hawaiian culture? http://www.culturalsurvival.org/
Last time you checked? You mean the last time you googled something or looked at wikipedia for your answers? Why don’t you ask real people what they think? Why don’t you go ask a Hawaiian what they think? Why are you here protesting the fact many do not want more development on Mauna Kea? What do you get from it? Do you benefit from another telescope? or is this just your chance to be a internet tough-guy and shove your Pro American, anti-Hawaiian stance into our faces with zero repercussions? The fact you state that “Democracy Rules” implies you don’t really get the type of oligarchical rule you fall under. Glad your happy being a pawn for big money.
Then it would be over OUR ancestors grave. Take a seat.
Treaty Of annex aka donkey parka nut on chinsley
Parkanut chinsley keep paddling you bike with no seat. Crack pipe donkey.
Puna person treaty of annex is donkey parkanut chinsley da turd. And she looking for a husband on here.
Here is donkey post, a.k.a. Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey’s 1st grade grammar comment regarding the proposed Kona Motorsport Park from last year. She is not only ignorant but people now know her true position on Big Island development. What’s worse, a motor park in Kona or TMT that you can’t see? Hypocrite.
IdaMarie Bermudez Ramey says: January 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm As for me ,I hope it doses come through,I was the 2004 Championship in the oval track on the BiG Island of Hilo. It a great opportunities for the children,there’s too many racing on the street, like I always say if you like race,take it to da track and not on the street, aleast this way we kno they are safe and not racing some where off in the middle of the night. Just saying much Mahalo and good luck guys – See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2014/01/08/kona-motorsport-park-proposed-for-hawaiis-big-island/#sthash.EKgnu67G.dpuf
Here is donkey post, a.k.a. Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey’s 1st grade grammar comment regarding the proposed Kona Motorsport Park from last year. She is not only ignorant but people now know her true position on Big Island development. What’s worse, a motor park in Kona or TMT that you can’t see? Hypocrite.
IdaMarie Bermudez Ramey says: January 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm As for me ,I hope it doses come through,I was the 2004 Championship in the oval track on the BiG Island of Hilo. It a great opportunities for the children,there’s too many racing on the street, like I always say if you like race,take it to da track and not on the street, aleast this way we kno they are safe and not racing some where off in the middle of the night. Just saying much Mahalo and good luck guys – See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index…
Here is donkey post, a.k.a. Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey’s 1st grade grammar comment regarding the proposed Kona Motorsport Park from last year. She is not only ignorant but people now know her true position on Big Island development. What’s worse, a motor park in Kona or TMT that you can’t see? Hypocrite.
IdaMarie Bermudez Ramey says:
January 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm As for me ,I hope it doses come through,I was the 2004 Championship in the oval track on the BiG Island of Hilo. It a great opportunities for the children,there’s too many racing on the street, like I always say if you like race,take it to da track and not on the street, aleast this way we kno they are safe and not racing some where off in the middle of the night. Just saying much Mahalo and good luck guys – See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index…
Like the drop of oil from racing at Kona Motor Sports genius? Ida, you are one stupid broad.
Here is donkey post, a.k.a. Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey’s 1st grade grammar comment regarding the proposed Kona Motorsport Park from last year. She is not only ignorant but people now know her true position on Big Island development. What’s worse, a motor park in Kona or TMT that you can’t see? Hypocrite.
IdaMarie Bermudez Ramey says: January 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm As for me ,I hope it doses come through,I was the 2004 Championship in the oval track on the BiG Island of Hilo. It a great opportunities for the children,there’s too many racing on the street, like I always say if you like race,take it to da track and not on the street, aleast this way we kno they are safe and not racing some where off in the middle of the night. Just saying much Mahalo and good luck guys – See more at: http://blog.hemmings.com/index…
Hey PunaPerson. This is by far, the funniest thing I can share with you to show you how stupid Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey is…….and also why it will take a minimum of 8 years for her to even begin to comprehend what you are communicating. She attended high school for 8 years! LMAO
https://www.facebook.com/idamarie.bermudezramey?fref=ts
Who’s the donkey now Ida? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just can’t believe Ryan H. Fuller would hire you to drive kids that are smarter than you to school? WTF Ryan?
Nice response Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey from Pohoa, HI. Nice of you to embrace your new name, since you attended high school for 8 long years but failed to graduate. How did you talk Ryan H. Fuller to hire you to drive the Hawaiian school children to school each day? Losepa Transportation must really be hard up for workers; especially ones with a nasty mouth like yours. What parent would want you interacting with their kids each and every day? Hire Failure.
At least PunaPerson, like everyone else, managed to get through high school is LESS THAN 8 YEARS!
Nice response Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey from Pohoa, HI. Nice of you to embrace your new name, since you attended high school for 8 long years but failed to graduate. How did you talk Ryan H. Fuller into hiring you to drive the Hawaiian school children to school each day? Losepa Transportation must really be hard up for workers; especially ones with a nasty mouth like yours. What parent would want you interacting with their kids each and every day? Hire Failure by Ryan H. Fuller.
Actually, you answer to your boss Ryan H. Fuller.
donkey post is a school bus driver named Ida Marie Bermudez Ramey, 49, from Pohoa. She works for Loseda Transportation. Do the people of Hawaii really want this type of person driving their kids to school? Shondell Afonso….you need new friends.